A shame that Jaiku is not taking up actually, really liked their mobile client. But like you said, content is on Twitter these days...

It is true that Google has done nothing to develop Jaiku, but actually one (1) person left Jaiku to Twitter for professional reasons (http://karde.jaiku.com/presence/50121771). Thee other geeks will still hang on beloved Jaiku as long it lasts :)

I still hang about on both services. Jaiku is nicer in many ways, but as people have pointed: the world is elsewhere. Still, Jaiku is a good place to keep in touch with the Finnish startups.

I liked Jaiku a lot more than Twitter, and it had quite some traction in the Netherlands. Unfortunately it is totally losing that. Jeroen has a nice piece on that at http://panman.jaiku.com/presence/50119771

Many Finns are testing Twitter and laconi.ca, but there are only few who say they're switching. Yes, Jaiku is broken and development is stalled. Yes, users are getting increasingly frustrated. But no, mostly those that are testing Twitter are not "leaving" Jaiku in the way you put it above.

I don't think us Finns are leaving Jaiku, at least not yet.

This is kind of backup plan in case Google might pull the plug some day. Or stop fixing the recurring system crashes.

Twitter is not going to be any alternative to the intelligent and vivid discussions and dialogue conducted in Jaiku.

For those we need something intelligent, not just SMS broadcasting service.

Talking about Jaiku, I am looking for a tool which export all my Jaiku's into another format like html, xml, pdf or maybe even Twitter?

i would not say that they are turning their back on Jaiku, but that for a sub-set there is potentially more value from Twitter.
From what i saw in that thread (via Google translate) and the comments on Ville's post, most people already had twitter accounts but were still active on Jaiku.

Also, Jaiku seems to have a much more of that small social circle thing going on, where whole conversations are happening in different native languages, tiwtter seems to be much more in English.
Possibly related to this is that on Jaiku the number of followers and following seems to be closer to the Dunbar number (150) than on Twitter, which would suggest, to me at least, that the links are deeper and stronger.

What is most diappointing is deafening silence from the Jaiku team following these events (SMS down and feeds not working).

I look forward to the day that Google breaks the silence and launches a Twitter killer - based on Jaiku. Do you guys think this will happen?

To do that they just needed to keep Jaiku online, reliable, and slowly adding more features. Jaiku to me has (had) more potential that Twitter.
They did the opposite.

I think that if they do have such plans, they better hurry up. That battle has been all but lost.

This Finn ain't leavin' ;) Bis zum bitteren ende :D

We have talked @ Jaiku that the Dunbar number might be much bigger on thee Net than in irl communities. some estimate that one can handle 600 persons on thee Net.

Anyway, in Jaiku there has grown interesting mixup of both network and community at the same time of researchers, journalists, nerds, designers, consultants and startupers, to name a few architypes. This communal network has no secret greetings and is very loose from its egdes - very easy to join. As the structure of presenting of comments in Twitter and Jaiku are quite different (threads, channels and so) it is impossible to transfer this network to Twit with same intension. We use daily for example crowdsourcing and collective intelligence for innovations and troubleshooting. Many jaikuers are active on thee IRC also.

Naturally Twit has more noise to follow, important to journalists etc. nowadays. On the other hand, quality noise floods to Jaiku also, but filtered already :) I'm not arguing which one is better or more suitable to mankind, but the way of communication - and social bindings etc. - is quite different between Jaiku and Twit and that creates different kind of networks, cohesion of them and ways to handle noise.

I've had my Twit account quite long, but for me Twit is more to noise source, like in Mumbai case. I suppose that quite many Finnish jaikuers will stay there to the bitter end :)

I love Jaiku, but as I wrote on a post by PanMan:



Guys, my thoughts exactly. No new people are joining Jaiku, and increasingly the interesting people that were Jaiku-exclusive have at least started crossposting to Twitter, even Jyri. And the features that were once unique to Jaiku (aggregation, mobile client, location aware) are now being adopted by others so the head start Jaiku had is almost completely gone.

For a while I held on to the thought that maybe all that Jaiku talent was working on a breakthrough IM/address book/location app or service for Android, given the brilliance of the original Jaiku mobile app. But alas, Android is devoid of any signs of Jaiku. Or how about using Jaiku's great ideas to get over the severe limitations in Gmail contacts, or as an intranet tool for companies, institutions and networks using Google Apps for Domains? Nothing that Jaiku ever stood for is finding its way in anything Google is bringing to market.

We've seen some vague hints (http://joi.jaiku.com/presence/47070668), some announcement on running on top of Google Apps now, but that doesn't take away the feeling that Jaiku has become a retired platform. And that is a sad thing, because looking back, Jaiku has never seriously aimed to make it to the top. If it would have been marketed more, remained open for new users, and integrated into other Google services I'm convinced it could have ended on top, not just over Twitter, but as a leader in a category that now has dozens of services figuring out how to integrate services in a way Jaiku had nailed years ago.

My conclusion is that Jaiku was acquired for its talent, period. I can't believe the founders of Jaiku had that in mind as a desired exit when they were entrepreneurs, nor when they signed the dotted line under the terms in the contract. An important lesson for any company thinking of selling to Google. Remember Dodgeball. Remember Jaiku. Don't be next.

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