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Pocahontas = Avatar
5th January 2010 by Boris
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[...] Pocahontas = Avatar [...]
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[...] the internet has been joking about how similar Pocahontas is to Avatar. In fact one page gives the high-level description of the one movie and shows how easy it is to translate it to the other. And frankly, I get annoyed when it seems like you are assumed to be some hippy-dippy pantheistic [...]
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[...] it. The CGI was freaking amazing, and the concepts were pretty cool. It was definitely like…a twisted version of Pocahontas, though, haha. Enjoyed it, but it’s not going on the fave lists or anything. I liked the [...]
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[...] I mentioned how much I loved Avatar above, but I still found this funny. Pocahontas = Avatar. [...]
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[...] –Avatar is Disney’s Pocahontas. AVATAR IS DISNEY’S POCAHONTAS. [...]
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[...] Inspiratia aici [...]
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[...] people a lot smarter than me, but visually stunning with an atrociously derivate plot. I loved this Pocohantas gag plot abstract — one of the movie’s funnier spinoff jokes on the Web. As for the [...]
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[...] habe ich Avatar gesehen. Ja, das ist die futuristische Poca-Hontas-Geschichte von James Camron, der gut die Hälfte des Films im Computer hat entstehen lassen. Was man sieht. [...]
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[...] plot is interesting (if not a repeat of Pocahontas – WARNING plot spoiler in the link if you haven’t seen Avatar) enough to watch. The [...]
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[...] Did Avatar mercilessly steal from Pocahontas? [...]
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[...] formulas and over the last month, some critiques have outlined these formulas. Here are 2 examples: http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2010/01/05/pocahontas-avatar/ and [...]
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[...] : http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2010/01/05/pocahontas-avatar/ Roti (alpha) suggests these related [...]
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[...] Cel mai mult m-a impresionat ‘Inglorious Bastards’ si chiar nu ma intereseaza acuzatiile de plagiat aduse lui Tarantino; daca e pe asa, ‘Avatar’ putea foarte bine sa se numeasca ‘Pocahontas cea albastra’. [...]
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[...] der brandheisse Trailer zu Avatar II. Da die Story von ersten Teil ja zu 99% von Pocahontas geklaut war, hat sich James Cameron was ganz Neues und Frisches einfallen lassen. Aber seht [...]
And the 1 billion dollar goes to…………… Disney!!!!
Avatar sucked dick imo. Smurfs on Steroids with some neat special effects. Storyline = Dancing with wolves or Pocahontas however you look at it, the fact that it copied the storyline just makes that movie more of a joke.
AVATAR is nothing like pocahontas FUCK ALL YOU FUCKS AVATAR WILL NEVER DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
are you stupid? Avatar is almost exactly like Avatar. Avatar is completley unoriginal
Ha ha ha! FAIL!!!
Avatar sucked worse than Pocahontas. It is exactly the same story, with better music in Pocahontas. I hope Avatar does die, and you shouldn’t be telling us fuck you, because you’re stupid to see that Avatar isn’t exactly the same.
You are all dumb as shit complaining about how a story was reused. Im going to add in that OMG stories like this have been told over and over, molded by the centuries and told in different ways. The movie industry does the same keeps taking old stories remolding them for audiences to follow and look at a slightly different twist to it. If some you can’t grasp the story and appreciate the view he gave on treating the earth right and that HUMANS itself killed its earth mother…you are all very narrow minded. The artisits in this movie gave a new grasp on life on different planets, unique animals and wildlife. Oh, and first world i seen that is bioluminesent. This story was locked and held onto for years till cameron thought the technology to bring this world to life was great enough to tell the story. Now get your heads out your asses, and think for a moment…and think “OH hey yeah, stories are retold all threw history”
its called an appropriation
Yes, the point of this being that the hype over Avatar isn’t as deserved when you realise that the story is one so obviously retold – i mean he could have tried a bit harder. To me Avatar was simply an emphasise on technology and it’s advances.
If you’re going to criticize the intelligence of other people, you should at least know how to spell simple words like “through” as well as proper use of grammar.
There’s nothing new about this movie. There’s nothing original about it other than the technology. But good technology does not excuse lazy storytelling.
The “artists” (and I use that term only because you did) didn’t give us a new grasp of life on different planets, unique animals or wildlife. Sci-fi movies, TV shows, books, comics and video games have been doing that long before Cameron ever “thought up” the idea of Avatar.
There is no slightly new twist to this story. A military man sent to destroy a perceived savage/primitive culture instead falls in love with that culture and dedicates his life to its defense? Dances With Wolves, FernGully, The Last Samurai — all of these featured the exact same story. Especially FernGully, which Avatar is pretty much a shameless rip-off of.
The point is that people are claiming this as one of the greatest films of all time. From a technical standpoint, it is a massive achievement. But from a storytelling standpoint, it delivers cliché after cliché.
With all the money Cameron spent on the effects, I would have liked him to spend a little more on hiring someone who can actually write.
It’s not like Disney invented this story line with Pocahontas…
And it doesn’t make Avatar any less awesome.
But Disney did make this version of the story that is so similar to Avatar.
In the normal story of Pocahontas John Smith was a drunk and Pocahontas was a little girl. Pocahontas never fell in love with John.
yes it does, noob.
Actually they did. Pocahontas the Disney movie contains little to no factual information.
It doesnt smurf at all, as everyone knows in Pocahontas there was no smurf.
Avatar = furn gully
That’s exactly what I thought…
wow! I love avatar and pocahontas! look, When I say I love them both I mean they are both great movies and they are alike yes but so different at the same time! oh, and I just typed this all up so I’m not putting this to the person I ment to!
except that John Smith didn’t transform into a native American, nor did he and he stay, get together with Pocahontas and become “one of the people” in the end. The two stories have many similarities but they’re also very different in many parts.
In two small ways
that’s total bullshit. they have way more similarities then they do differences.
What about The Last Samurai?
Yes, Pocahontas is just like Avatar… if you are having a raging acid trip while watching Pocahontas.
Bla bla bla is all I hear. Everything can be compared to anything if you put enough effort into it.
yes but this is suprisingly easy
not dancing with smurfs more last of the giant blue mohican ewoks adventure
youre a dumb ass. there are like 15 feet tall in the movie
cocahontas = Kate Moss
James Cameron replaced the cast of Braveheart with feral smurfs. So.painful.
You could also say this as Avatar = Dances with Wolves…. perhaps even more so.
POCAHONTAS is based on a real historic figure called POCAHONTAS . Shouldn't the money from the film POCAHONTAS go to some indian tribe ? . And regarding AVATAR , it is one of the most amazing movies so far due to the technology used , who cares about the story……
If you watch a movie for the graphics alone it’s not truly a good movie. Since in a few years better technology is going to come out and then avatar will be nothing. The graphics will suck, and the story will suck… So the story does make a huge difference.
how much better can graphics get? they already look like real people.
true
Now that is a closed minded statement
I totally agree with you!I don’t think the native peoples would really love to have the money! Yes they could get things they need but they follow their beleifs and They believe that things should be natural and done by hand! they should have given it to charity!
who care about the story?!!! why the hell would you watch a movie if you don’t care about the story?
“And regarding AVATAR , it is one of the most amazing movies so far due to the technology used , who cares about the story”
I do. And so do many other people. A film is first and foremost a story. If you don’t have a good story to go with all those amazing visuals, then there’s no point.
If the future of storytelling is “who gives a shit about story,” then movies are going to get very, very bad very, very quickly.
Avatar is awsome not because of the story, everyone knows that, but bec of the animation. so whavtever to that, Avatar is the most awsome movie experience ive had
“there is nothing new under the sun” No matter what we do, we'll be copying SOMETHING by SOMEbody eventually.
Which makes our culture of “need to be original” so funny…we're not original, not in the least bit.
wow! that is so true! you are inspriring! do you do wise qoutes or have a website withvthem? if not make one !
Thanks 1 BILLION times to your soooo OBVIOUS comparison.
Only the names and places and time are changed.
James stole this storyline, just like Disney, to the NA'AtIVe Americans myhts..
A. It was not a Native American myth. Pocahontas was a real person.
B. Disney paid no heed to truth. The movie is so distorted from the real Pocahontas story that it has become a completely different story and is horribly disrespectful to the Powhatan Nation and to the real Pocahontas.
C. If you could look at the movie Pocahontas and get the Avatar out of it, more power to you. In my opinion, the Avatar movie was awesome and bears little if any resemblance to the Pocahontas movie. It was his own idea. Get. over. it.
After reading the synopsis of one story; where a few words are changed to the extent of making it possible to use for either, you still don’t think there is a resemblance? To you comment on respect, Walt Disney was not the nicest man in the world, though at least his story was original – that is the point of this website, if u want to talk about morality – then many would be ready to discuss Mr David Cameron. The graphics were nice, though the story was in no way original. Your argument was not convincing: you made a point about Disney coming up with their version of the story and then said that they were different… the evidence seems against you sir…
thanks for the awesomeness of bulletpoints
If you think Avatar was an original idea, then you must not watch a movies. “White guy is sent to destroy a perceived savage/primitive culture. White guy instead falls in love with the culture. White guy quickly becomes the most super-awesome member of the culture. White guy devotes himself to defending the culture.”
Watch Dances With Wolves or The Last Samurai and then tell me Avatar is Cameron’s own idea.
god knows that the story is not important AT ALL in a movie! Who cares as long as there's things getting blown up!
Thank god other people realize these movies are one in the same.
lulz
Y saben que es lo peor ???, es cierto !!!….los que vieron Avatar como yo van a entender…
Y saben que es lo peor???, que es cierto!!!, los que ya vieron Avatar en el cine como yo lo van a comprender…
I AGREE! THE MOVIE IS AWESOME!
They invented most aspects of it. The true story of Pocahontas is much less of a faerie tale. :|
No but John Smith became American and Thanksgiving is all about being “one of the people” in the end.
The movie was pretty to look at and both stories were good but there are far more similarities than differences.
John Smith did NOT become American. He stayed In England, raping Pocahontas, who was 11 years old at the time, until he forced her to marry him, afterwards, continued to rape her. She asked him if she could go back, but he wouldn’t let her, and also because her tribe was destroyed at the time.
!!!NOT TO MENTION!!! that James Cameron began writing Avatar in 1994, and DISNEY’s version of Pocahontas was released in 1995.
//end thread. GTFO and stop trying to diminish JC’s integrity.
I haven’t been able to find any evidence of Smith raping Pocahontas. Thomas Dale, however, is believed to have raped her. And Smith NEVER married Pocahontas. She married John Rolfe. If you’re going to comment on historical inaccuracies, you should be sure that you know what the true facts are.
Cameron wrote a treatment for Avatar in 1994. Do you really think that in over ten years he couldn’t possibly have changed anything? Also, Dances With Wolves came out in 1990 and Avatar is almost a complete rip-off of that film.
I don’t have to diminish Cameron’s integrity — he does it himself with his mammoth ego. He used to be relevant and a really talented writer and filmmaker. But his success went to his head and he let his perceived awesomeness make up for the fact that he’s gotten extremely fucking lazy when it comes to storytelling.
This idea that we can’t criticize Cameron is absolute nonsense.
This is also the baisc plot for Ferngully.
But I guess somebody already said that a month ago. Whoops.
But the Disney version is so loosely based on the real story that they might as well have used a different name.
yeah it sounds like they're copies… but really nothing is original anymore.
both are good movies so it doesn't make much of a difference to me.
One of the first things I said about the movie was that it was Pocahontas…..I agree with everything you've said. I even mentioned Grandmother Willow and the natives and the bow and arrows and the stiff guy she was supposed to marry. This is good……it's Pocahontas alright, I am as sure of that as I am that Fast and the Furious is Point Break!
“Very different”? Those are such minute differences. The story lines are essentially the same.
good thing we didn't have to put too much effort into this comparison then…
Yep. Story is just like Pocahontas. And the graphics are identical to Yes album cover art. -2 creative points.
yayyy!!!
i love pocahontas!!
avatar..not so much
it was wayyyyyy to long and didnt need to be that long,
wasnt enough happening in parts of it
there was tons of stuff they coulda left out,
It's also *really* similar to the 'amtrak wars' – 1980's sci-fi series of novels. check the similarities from the book cover alone!
http://www.amazon.com/Cloud-Warrior-Amtrak-Wars…
anyone see dances with wolves? I mean come on…..
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are you like 8 or 10 right now?
avatar also is just like the smurfs and dances with wolves- combines…
Don’t forget Thundercats.
Schindlers List. Man is a nazi, meets jews, turns against his own in order to save jews.
District 9. Man finds aliens he originally doesnt like, but eventually turns against his own and fights for them against his own kind.
Dances with Wolves. Dune. Fern Gully. Pocahontus.
Well done. You people found similarities between 2 movies. How very observant of you. Now fuck up and enjoy the movie for how it took the same old tired formula and did it differently.
Yes, but those movies, despite having those kind of similarities, had a decent script and didn’t feel cardboard. Avatar left me cold at the end instead of making feel at least something at the end. (I cried on Pocahontas and Schindler’s List.) Also, the similarities weren’t glaringly obvious. I never got why mainsteam audiences loved this movie, but nerds see it for it’s tired plot.
Wow, look at you all.
What’s that, two film story-lines are similar to one another? Good grief! What a nightmare. We simply won’t stand for this. Never-mind the term “appropriation”, the idea of two story-lines being similar to one another is simply unheard of.
There’s nothing original left in this world. In film and literature there are supposedly only around 7 or 8 main plot-lines anyone could come up with. Shakespeare wrote them all. There is no piece of film or literature today that doesn’t reference him in some way. That’s how brilliant he was.
If the idea of two story-lines being similar offends you, then perhaps film isn’t for you.
Avatar sucked and the 3d effects gave me a headache. Cheap(yet expensive) thrills.
Avatar script
Scene 1, Pocahontas.
Scene 2, Dances with Wolves.
Scene 3, Braveheart
I just watch the Avatar movie and I was shoked as it so much alike Pocahontas !!! Amazing alike issues and alike slogans and whole story. What has been James Cameron thought??? I’m a Disney-fan and I felt bad of thins kind of robbery from Disney. Ok, Pocahontas is a free story but the Avatar was still a copy of the Pocahontas.
You know, the fact that it is a lot like Pocahontas doesn’t make it a bad movie. The fact that is was insanely predictable, boring, and honestly ugly. Am I the only one who found some of the scenery a little too detailed? Like in some small moments it was hard to track the action because of the sheer density of the detail? Or how about they went with furries, basically as their alien race? Congratulations, anthromorphic 7 foot tall animals. Something else Avatar shares with Disney movies.
The avatar people are just tall oompa loompas with blue skin.
Movie was good. End of story!
James Cameron began writing Avatar in 1994, and DISNEY’s version of Pocahontas, which is so factually incorrect that it makes me sick, was released in 1995.
If you’re looking for more movies it is like, then look at “Call me Joe” and “Body Double”… People will try to find anything they can to knock something down.
//end thread. STFU and stop trying to diminish JC’s integrity.
At what time did Disney begin writing Pocahontus I wonder? AND… people may find ways in everything to knock something down, though in some circumstances there is justification.
the first time i saw the movie, i came out the theater thinking: did i just saw the modern version of pocahontas?… the thing is that i agree. avatar=pocahontas
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