A post from Google+ Games product manager, Satyajeet Salgar, sparked an interesting discussion revolving around the use of hashtags outside of Twitter. Having already compared the dos and don’ts of Twitter hashtags in the past, I found it interesting that some users have taken to using hashtags outside of the platform where, for the most part, they seem to have no use.
Hashtags are a particularly useful tool on Twitter where users can search for the symbol to follow up on conversations or collective ideas on a keyword. Aside from this, hashtags are a rather defunct method — from a technical standpoint, anyway — of communicating ideas. They remain unclickable when used on, say, Google+ or Facebook, for example. The Twitter hashtag is also stripped from general search, again making them useless. I’ve admittedly raised a brow once or twice when spotting hashtag usage outside of Twitter in the past.
Now with Twitter “blowing up” in usage and more folks learning how to better utilize the various tweet hacks on the platform, hashtags have grown into a sort of habit. It’s become so routine for some Twitter users to hashtag ideas and keywords on such a regular basis that it’s now a part of their daily Internet vocabulary. Even Urban Dictionary has 4 different definitions for the word “hashtag”, all revolving around Twitter – though one is about “crack-babies” and is completely irrelevant.
This leads me to the question …
Should Google+ invent its own hashtag?
Here’s the thing. Bradley Horowitz, Google’s VP of Product, has already said that Google+ is Google, and that soon, our conversations on G+ will affect the way we use any of Google’s products as a whole. It’s even been mentioned that Google+ will eventually be smart enough to recognize keywords or conversations we have on the platform, thus being able to bring value to our overall user experience. But how? How will Google+ surf our conversations and discover what we think is most important? Is there some sort of secret algorithm in the mix to bring this concept to life?
Through search-targeting, Google brings us what it knows we want to see versus what it predicts we want a la Facebook. Advertisements on Google already do a good job of targeting us based on keywords we bang into that little search bar. It doesn’t get anymore accurate than us literally telling Google what we want to see.
Predicting what we want based on conversations, however? That sounds a little creepy. Gmail seems to follow the same algorithm, but it’s not always as accurate as we’d like. In fact, sometimes it’s downright weird and has already been written off completely by its more privacy-aware consumers, to the point where video spoofs on the idea have already been in circulation.
Knowing this, it makes sense that Google+ invent its own Twitter-esque hashtag. With a Google+ hashtag, we are voluntarily contributing the information that its search-targeting model needs to bring up content most relevant to us.
Why do Google+ consumers want a G+ hashtag?
Some Google+ users are already using their own hashtagging system on the platform, using the “+” symbol just before any keyword to signify a hashtagged topic. This, of course, accomplishes absolutely nothing, as marking words or phrases on Google+ with the symbol doesn’t make these keywords anymore searchable than if users has just typed them in normally.
According to a few of the responses in Salgar’s update, G+ users hope that Google+ will use its own plus symbol in a Twitter-esque fashion to point out indexed keywords. In the event that this does happen, users won’t have to go back and re-tag all of the keywords they’ve already marked with the Google+ symbol.
Wishful thinking, guys.
Other G+ consumers are using the actual Twitter hashtag, “#”, on Google+. Whether this is because they are hoping Google+ will adopt the # model or because they are simply trying to better communicate an idea, it is, again, another useless method of marking ideas and keywords. Like the actual plus symbol, the Twitter hashtag doesn’t return any clickable searches, nor does it pop up in Google+ search when using it to find actual conversations revolving around the keyword.
Besides, Google+ is a very separate community from social networks like Facebook or Twitter (for now, anyway). As a part of that community, being able to use conversation hacks like symbol indexing that is more personal to Google+ just “feels good” for the people using it.
What should the Google+ hashtag be?
The “+” symbol in actual search engines already means something when used in conjunction with keywords. Unless Google engineers want to completely reprogram how its current search model works, it’s doubtful that we’ll be seeing the plus symbol used as a hashtag-like tool on the service.
In Salgar’s post, I suggested the use of the “~” symbol. Like the “+” and “#” signs, the “~” is rarely used in conversation or as a symbol for search, so it makes sense for Google+ to use this. Not to mention, it is easily accessible on all keyboards, making it quick and painless for Google+ consumers to hashtag potential keywords and phrases.
One user responded, “If you want something that works right now, it needs to be alphabetic — symbology is discarded by Google’s indexing procedures. xxMaybeLikeThis.” The issue with alphabetic indexing, however, lies in pseudonyms or other titles. For example, say I wanted to direct someone to my AIM screen name, which is “xxUsernamexx”. The alphabetic indexing wouldn’t work in that case. This leads me to believe that symbols are definitely the way to go, provided that Google actually allow symbols into its searches or even bother.
The Google+ hashtag needs to add value to the platform.
While I definitely see the benefit in using the plus symbol as a Google+ hashtag, I certainly don’t agree with it. The plus symbol is already used as a sort of Twitter-esque “@” sign, which denotes particular consumers on the platform and highlights individual people rather than impersonal keywords or ideas/phrases. Some Google+ users might want to see the plus symbol used, of course, but I firmly believe Google+ would benefit from separating people from ideas or phrases.
As for actual Twitter hashtags, the “#” sign doesn’t pop up in Google search when using it to look up conversations. I’d like to assume this is something Google can easily add to its current search capabilities, but I’m no engineer. Besides, who’s to say that Google even wants to allow the Twitter hashtag to appear on its search results? With Google+ on the rise, there is definitely some benefit to be had in monopolizing hashtagged keyword searches in conversations.
The Google+ hashtag, if the platform decides to adopt one, needs to be searchable, clickable and contribute some sort of additional value to the service. It needs to be presented in a way that is easy for consumers to understand as well as non-invasive (much like the rest of Google+’s current features). In the way that Internet consumers associate the “#” with Twitter, the Google+ symbol needs to be representative o the G+ brand. Of course, I’m not the only one with an opinion.
I want to hear from you. If Google+ does use hashtags in the future, what should it be? Do you think the service should use hashtags at all? And aside from what I’ve covered above, how could Google+ benefit from its own hashtag? Weigh in below.




















i think hashtags is a good idea, twitter gets a lot of hits when a particular topic is trending, and this is like putting things in order as categorizing/tagging. http://vaintl.net/
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LikeGreat post. My thoughts were too lengthy to post in a comment/reply. Created a blog post about them here instead: here: http://jason.nocks.com/2011/10/google-needs-topic-based-self.html
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LikeSemantic labeling should be done separately from content. With this in mind, it would make more sense to eschew hashtags altogether.
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LikeI don't think that G+ should use hashtags. With all the competition that exists between the social media platforms, I don't think it is a good move for G+ to incorporate the hashtag because the idea is already strongly associated with Twitter. I think G+ needs to clearly separate itself and create its own identity, not borrow from already existing and successful social media sites.
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LikeSadar,
Originally twitter tried to discourage the use of hashtags. It was entirely a user convention. Fortunately unlike google at least twitter listened to their customers and embraced them. LinkedIn and EmpireAvenue have seemed to embrace them as well now.
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LikeHas Twitter patented the Hashtag [#] ? I don't see or recall that it has done that, therefore Google+ using the same won't be an issue.
Whatever Google intends to do, it must ensure each of its users are aware of what is the official hashtag on Twitter if it needs to follow user conversations. I mean, i have used all sorts of hashtags from #Googleplus to #G+.
Whatever it does, i just hope it takes advantage of Twitter that exist. It has this uncanny habit of starting a service all new.
Also, maybe utilizing its search algorithm alone would greatly benefit Google Plus. Isn't Google at the core of all searches everywhere?
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LikeI think the hashtag-hashtag is a pretty good hashtag. In particular since it just works, and it makes cross-posting so much more easy.
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LikeI think we tend to forget that hashtags aren't an invention of Twitter. They were created by users as a way to communicate on topics. In the beginning they weren't even links! Twitter was smart enough to realize this is what their users wanted and added the link functionality.
What twitter did invent was the algorithm for presenting trending topics to users which facilitated discussion of current events in real-time.
http://gigaom.com/2010/04/30/the-short-and-illustrious-history-of-twitter-hashtags/
Google is capitalizing on the best part of twitter and Facebook with G+, real-time information exchange. G+ though is twitter on crack, being able to track any conversation across the web it can crawl.In fact it will even be able to track a query over time. Can you imagine clicking a "hashtag" on G+ and receiving content from all over the web that would be tailored to your interests. Results filtered through the lens of your social networks and trusted contacts as well as your personal search habits. I can see "nofollow" and "noindex" tags becoming more useful for people to feel they have any privacy online *lol*
I think Google should keep the # as a hashtag. Honestly as a user based invention it doesn't belong to Twitter so there is no reason why they can't use the same method. It would create a standard for other networks to follow. It may make it easier to link related content in the long run. Plus, we already familiar with it and don't need to learn anything new, which would be good for user experience.
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LikeOpen up Circles so that they can be shared and you can join others.
Give Circles the same functionality as a hashtag.
That way you can give more relevance to your circle, and you can have a real community/membership that you can see, behind the discussion hashtag/topic.
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LikeThird party apps and addons cross-post things to twitter from g+, so it makes sense to retain hashtagging.
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LikeOh just let Google use the omnious "#" already and be done with it!
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LikeShould Google copy Twitter?
Why not, they already have done, with Google Buzz (GFail), and now G+.
Innovation > Imitation.
I already use hashtags outside Twitter, I use them in Google+, even though G+ fails to support this feature. Perhaps Satyajeet Salgar has seen me doing it -- we are connected on G+ and let's face it there's not much else going on there! ;)
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LikeIn Salgar’s post, I suggested the use of the “~” symbol. Like the “+” and “#” signs, the “~” is rarely used in conversation or as a symbol for search, so it makes sense for Google+ to use this.
This idea is the best I appreciate it.
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Likefahimqasim The "~" is sometimes used in note taking to indicate nuance or references. However, I think the internet would be better served if it continued to use a common language. I personally believe there is no shame in using a system that already has proven it works, namely "#". Let's not make things more complicated by reinventing something that already exists.
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LikeStijn Vogelsfahimqasim Agreed with Stijn. We are already too crowded with symbols, etc - keep it simple and i guess it isn't that much of a problem
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Likewhy invent a new symbol? Google+ could just support hashtags, @s, and RTs.
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LikeGoogle should invent its own symbol, then force it upon all Android and Chrome OS keyboards. Then it's a matter of get on board or get out of the way!
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LikeHow about =? Since it's google+ why not keep with the math theme? Or perhaps they can call it a slashtag /
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LikeIt'll be interesting to see how it develops - most of Twitter's tagging (@, RT, #, d) developed organically as its users identified a use for them. Twitter was smart enough to pick up on the trends as they grew and embed them into the interface. I'm guessing that Google will be waiting for the same!
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LikeMost twitter users also cross post onto these other platforms (Facebook for example) so the hashtags are automatically carried over. Google+ would need to come up with a simple, yet almost unique way, to use a hashtag for its own posts. A tilda (~) might be a great way due to its limited use. That's what made the pound sign so effective for twitter. It's also rarely used in normal situations.
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LikeI think the off-twitter hashtag "phenom" is more of a LARGE inside joke type thing. I use hashtags in my txt mssgs to friends who will get the reference - just to be goofy. Its in the same vein as quoting viral parody music videos or internet memes IRL.
Though a "topical code" specific to google plus could be useful, hashtag or otherwise.
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