
Editor’s note: This is a guest post written by Tom Anderson, the founder & former President of MySpace. Follow him on Google, Twitter, and Facebook.
There’s been more than a few “Google+ is doomed” articles as of late.
After the initial rush of delighted surprise that G+ didn’t suck, the second wave of journalists have arrived. This group — who mostly don’t understand G+ — have indicated that they see no future for Google’s new baby. Mostly, these critics don’t understand that G+ has a public, Twitter-like component to it. This new school of G+ critic seems to only see one side of G+ — its private side — and then concludes that because “their friends” aren’t rushing to join G+, no one ever will. When forced to confront the facts (i.e. the number of G+ users), one Forbes writer even opines “Google Plus is a failure no matter what the numbers may say.”
These writers are really missing something crucial. Unlike, every other competitor in the social networking space, G+ has a unique advantage: google.com, youtube.com, blogger.com, and gmail.com. These four domains are some of the most trafficked in the world. Everyday, they’re accessed by roughly 80% of all Internet users. (Ok, I made that up, I’m to do the research, but you get the point.)
Why does this matter? Because at the top of these four humongous websites there is, or will be, a little black bar and a little red notification indicator.
Like many folks, you may have signed up for G+, poked around, didn’t see much, and went on your merry way. Your friends weren’t using it, so why bother? You had the typical second-wave journalist experience.
If we were talking about socialnetworkxyz.com, that was designed to unseat Facebook, that would be a good point — you may never return, end of story. But with G+ that’s not likely to happen. First of all, Google does want to take market share from Facebook, of course. But it also wants to take market share from Twitter. G+’s Twitter-like aspirations combined with their big-4 domain / notification-reach makes all the difference.
A Little Background
Let’s go back in social networking history a bit, to 2006 when MySpace was dominant and Facebook was small. Did Facebook launch to the world and try to take away MySpace’s audience all at once? No. FB grew by capturing one small market at a time. At first, it was one University at a time. Once they’d cornered that market, they moved to community colleges. Next was high schools. Then they invited companies to create company-specific networks — all Apple employees, or all Google employees. This strategy did a few things for FB — it allowed them to create small, tightly networked groups of fanatical users that became evangelists. Those users “stuck with the program” because all their friends were there. That’s necessary, of course, in a social network that’s about communication with just your friends.
Now take Twitter. When the 140 character wunderkind launched in 2006, it was only used by tech nerds. Just one community, that knew each other by name, if not in person. Then John Mayer signed up. Now there was two communities. The tech nerds, and the John Mayer fan club. Then there was Diddy. Suddenly Twitter was of interest to people who liked hiphop & rap. One celebrity at a time started to build sub-communities on Twitter. And make no mistake, Twitter went out and recruited them. Like Facebook, they realized that to gain scale in the social networking space and take mind share from others, they needed to target sub-communities. But unlike Facebook, these communities were not built around your friends. In fact, it doesn’t really matter if your friends are using Twitter at first, because the communities there are largely built around interests.
The Sub-Groups
Now back to Google. Like Twitter, G+ is going to keep growing as it attracts one niche community after another. Perhaps by happenstance, G+ has currently gathered together a network of three kinds of tech nerds: early adopters (general nerds), Google fanboys (who knew there were so many?!), and “Facebook fed-ups” (people that don’t like Facebook for one reason or another). (Note: Because the media seemed to portray G+ as a Facebook replacement, the Facebook Fed-Ups joined G+, but from what I can tell, they’re really using G+ like Twitter and hoping some day they can use it like Facebook.) And of course these three examples aren’t the only communities on G+.
A nascent photographer community is already forming — G+ is on the way to becoming a place for serious photographers to engage with “regular folks,” taking away market share from Flickr and other smaller photo sites. Gradually, we’re starting to see a group of people who like Twitter in theory, but are less satisfied about the way it works in practice (no in-line media shares, 140 character limit, no easy discussion framework). Robert Scoble and Mike Elgan are the most vocal of these types of users. And of course just like Twitter, we’re going to see certain celebrities choose G+ as their platform of choice, and they’ll bring their audience with them. Rose McGowan did a Hangout (video chat) on G+ this week. Can you imagine what pandemonium would break loose if Justin Bieber did that? OK, that’s too mind blowing.
(And at present, G+ is limited to users over 18.) Let’s say Taylor Swift does a Hangout (and she is, already, a G+ user). The point is, G+ is going to attract small subgroups. And that will continue to happen as long as the G+ platform is differentiated from Facebook Fan Pages and Twitter.
Why Do Sub-Groups Matter So Much?
Because unlike a private-oriented social network (Facebook), a public network like G+ (with its Twitter side) doesn’t require that your friends join for it to be useful and engaging. All it requires are frequent posters or “content creators.” Right now, the most important “feature” of G+ is the community itself — people like Robert Scoble, Guy Kawasaki and Trey Ratcliff who are posting interest content there. (Have you ever heard the stat that 5% of Twitter users create 75% of the content?) G+ doesn’t need you to have a critical mass of your friends or users in a certain area to be interesting (that’s Color’s problem). And Google doesn’t have to do what many other competitors in this space would or will do, which is make direct, concerted attempts to capture small niches/subgroups of users all at once. Because G+ is a potential “Facebook replacement” that also has a Twitter side, G+ will continue to grow & grow and as a critical mass of your friends start using it, you’ll then be able to use it in a more Facebook-y fashion.
Put another way, G+ basically is a combination of Facebook & Twitter. That’s what makes it different. It serves both purposes: private communication among friends, and public shouting to the world. Right now, most pundits declaring G+ dead seem to think that if their Facebook friends aren’t on it, then its game over for G+. It’s easy to see why they think that. The truth is, as a private network, G+ is greatly lacking. It’s no surprise that people aren’t leaving Facebook to hang out with their close friends on G+ right now. G+ just isn’t designed very well for friend-to-friend communication. And in the beginning phases, that’s not really a weakness. There’s little chance entire networks of friends are going to jump ship from Facebook and join G+ all at once. That’s why G+ is concentrated on the “Twitter side” of its service. In fact, I’ve seen many people say they’ve left Twitter behind in favor of G+.
Why You’ll Use It Eventually
While perhaps all social networks need to capture subgroups of people to chew away at the core of more dominant players, Google’s massive scale — both the attention the brand receives — and the domains it owns: google.com, youtube.com, blogger.com, and gmail.com — have given Google a weapon no one else has: the power of accretion, via that little black bar and red notification. The constant reminder this black bar/red notification provides, means that Google+ doesn’t need to have high engagement numbers from all its users in the beginning. Day by day, one key person after another will find that they enjoy the G+ platform more than its competitors. They’ll start posting and then the ball starts rolling.
You may not use G+ today. But someone you know is. It may be your friend from work, it may be your favorite photographer, blogger, or rock star. You may not think to go G+ to share a funny news story or photo. But someone you know will. And when you’re minding your own business checking your Gmail or doing a Google search, you’ll see that little red notification box. You may choose to send an email to share something with your five closest friends, but one of your friends won’t. Your friend will use G+ and you’ll be forced to visit the G+ site to look at the content. While you’re there on G+, you may just notice that your notification bar shows there’s even more posts & content waiting for you. It may take you 2 months or 2 years, but gradually you’re going to get pulled into this site, whether you want to be a user or not.
Part of Everything
That’s why Google+ doesn’t have its own distinct domain like “Orkut.com” — Google’s growth strategy and master plan is that Google+ will just be a part of everything you do on Google’s collective websites, which means it’s connected to more than half the things you do on the Internet. And if the black bar & red notification across the world’s most popular websites weren’t enough, remember also that G+ is part of everything Google does as a company — which includes Android phones (now bigger than iPhone), Google TV (which I’m guessing Google is going to double-down on) and maybe, someday, even Google self-driving cars. If the cars drive themselves, that leaves you more time to play on Google+. Now of course I’m a joking a bit here, but keep in mind, when Steven Levy asked Vic Gundotra if G+ was a “bet the company project,” Vic answered, “I don’t know how you can look at it any other way.” I think that means going forward we should expect to see G+ as part of everything that Google does, or ever will do.















I just wish there was a painless way to use G+ if you’re a Google Apps user.
I just wish there was a painless way to use G+ if you’re a Google Apps user.
Tell you what my fear is Tom…
Because of the quality of the notifications currently appearing in that little red notification…(mainly friend requests from random people), people just begin to ignore them. And as the notification only goes up to the number 9+, it’s quite possible people will just ignore it. Eventually, if Google doesn’t succeed in capturing the masses, there’ll be enough complaints from people to provide an option to turn it off…and Google’ probably will.
Then Google loses that little red notification entirely and there isn’t anything pulling it all together.
Tell you what my fear is Tom…
Because of the quality of the notifications currently appearing in that little red notification…(mainly friend requests from random people), people will just begin to ignore them. And as the notification only goes up to the number “9+”, it’s pretty easy to ignore. Eventually, if Google doesn’t succeed in capturing the masses, there’ll be enough complaints from people to provide an option to turn it off…and Google’ probably will.
Then Google loses that little red notification entirely and there isn’t anything pulling it all together.
Tell you what my fear is Tom…
Because of the quality of the notifications currently appearing in that little red notification…(mainly friend requests from random people), people will just begin to ignore them. And as the notification only goes up to the number “9+”, it’s pretty easy to ignore. Eventually, if Google doesn’t succeed in capturing the masses, there’ll be enough complaints from people to provide an option to turn it off…and Google’ probably will.
Then Google loses that little red notification entirely and there isn’t anything pulling it all together.
Google + is not yet active … lots of people but nothing about activity, it’s a big problem for google
Google + is not yet active … lots of people but nothing about activity, it’s a big problem for google
> via that little black bar and red notification
what? where? I see nothing on youtube.com…
> via that little black bar and red notification
what? where? I see nothing on youtube.com…
> via that little black bar and red notification
what? where? I see nothing on youtube.com…
@Max Waterman yeah not there yet, but it’ll come i’m sure
@Max Waterman yeah not there yet, but it’ll come i’m sure
The “About the Author” box says:
“Follow him on Google, TwitterGoogle, and Facebook.” TwitterGoogle? Seemed like a joke related to the content of this article but probably just a mistake…
The “About the Author” box says:
“Follow him on Google, TwitterGoogle, and Facebook.” TwitterGoogle? Seemed like a joke related to the content of this article but probably just a mistake…
“Friend requests”???
Oh dear me, you seem to have missed the point altogether.
G+ lets you know who have circled you so that you may check their profiles to see if they provide interesting content. But there is no need to “approve a request” like in Facebook. Nor circle them back.
For me, I like it when I get notifications because then I know that people have reacted to my posts. For some random commentary in a long thread, I just hide the post in question immediately and won’t get any more from that.
FYI: I have you circled in G+ because you post interesting stuff but I don’t want to be your friend. :D
@Zee That’s a great point about the notification bar losing efficacy. G+ definitely needs to improve in this area and make better hooks to attract fallow users. That said, remember “friend request” is a FB term. What you mean, I think, is that someone has circled you, and wants to “follow” what you have to say in public. For you, as a high profile editor people are trying to reach, that may seem like to spam, but to many, that may be incentive to post a “Hello, World!” if nothing else.
@Zee That’s a great point about the notification bar losing efficacy. G+ definitely needs to improve in this area and make better hooks to attract fallow users. That said, remember “friend request” is a FB term. What you mean, I think, is that someone has circled you, and wants to “follow” what you have to say in public. For you, as a high profile editor people are trying to reach, that may seem like to spam, but to many, that may be incentive to post a “Hello, World!” if nothing else.
@Zee That’s a great point about the notification bar losing efficacy. G+ definitely needs to improve in this area and make better hooks to attract fallow users. That said, remember “friend request” is a FB term. What you mean, I think, is that someone has circled you, and wants to “follow” what you have to say in public. For you, as a high profile editor people are trying to reach, that may seem like to spam, but to many, that may be incentive to post a “Hello, World!” if nothing else.
I wanted to +1 the article but couldn’t find a Google +1 button on the page. :)
I wanted to +1 the article but couldn’t find a Google +1 button on the page. :)
Guys… just chill. Neither FB nor Twitter ruled the social world in a few weeks. G+ is definitely the next thing – but give it some time already!
@Leo Horovitz fixed, thanks
@Leo Horovitz fixed, thanks
if the argument presented in this article held, google wave would be a success.
@Zee You should have made that link to Google+ considering he compared it to Twitter…
Phoblographer actually did a class using Google+.
For me Facebook and Google+ need and IPad app not a scaled up one.
Phoblographer actually did a class using Google+.
For me Facebook and Google+ need and IPad app not a scaled up one.
@Marcie Baetcke Apologies! We still haven’t fixed this on the horizontal version of our toolbar but will do so ASAP! – Amalia :)
@Marcie Baetcke Apologies! We still haven’t fixed this on the horizontal version of our toolbar but will do so ASAP! – Amalia :)
@Amalia – impressively fast response. Nice work. :)
@Amalia – impressively fast response. Nice work. :)
@Marcie Baetcke Thank you! :)
@Marcie Baetcke Thank you! :)
@taha Did you even read the article? Google Wave did not integrate with all other Google products, Google Wave did not have a notification bar at the top of some of the most visited websites in the world, Google Wave did not resemble a social network at all, making all the arguments about how people get pulled in to a social network due to following people they like completely misplaced. Should I go on?
@taha Did you even read the article? Google Wave did not integrate with all other Google products, Google Wave did not have a notification bar at the top of some of the most visited websites in the world, Google Wave did not resemble a social network at all, making all the arguments about how people get pulled in to a social network due to following people they like completely misplaced. Should I go on?
thanks Leo, you’re right, of course.
Google+ is like a… like a… What’s full of people, yet empty and with no activity? :P
There is plenty of activity, it just doesn’t come to you – you have to look for it. Unlike FB where you’re just kind of B-slapped with everything someone wants to put out there. I’m enjoying my time there more than FB, actually. Use group as, put in your interests or find interests and you will meet some incredibly interesting people. G+ is about having conversations vs just exposing people to everything. http://www.group.as/groups/
I really like Google+ it has not encroached on my FB usage, or community, but has really obliviated my Twitter use. FB is where I keep up with people I’ve met, worked with, gone to school with, etc. over the years. Google+ is a place to seek out interesting streams (circles) of info & insight from all sorts of people (and maybe connect/comment etc.)
Like Zee’s comment down at the bottom, my problem with Google+ and FB is that I get so many notifications. To get to the ones I want to see, I need to sift through all the garbage. Tom, what group do you think G+ will attract after the current “tech nerds”?
Semblee – agree the notifications are not useful for me as a “power user” … They don’t go back far enough is my biggest gripe. I miss everything. As for new groups, I mention that in the article. :)
@Tom Anderson Right. I saw the photographers and currently it’s not open to the U-18 crowd. I do like how you addressed the fact that Google owns Youtube, Blogger, etc. and that will help attract people as time passes. One thing Google has going for them is they can make plenty of updates to their interface without causing too much of an uproar since it’s still in the infancy stage, but soon they will be faced with the inventors dilemma, and will have to stick with what they have. Time will tell.
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There are some similitude… For one thing it should be well integrated with all Google products but it is not. For instance Google Apps users cannot use it. It is said to be available across all Google properties like YouTube but it is not the case… etc.I do think that Google is trying to make all this more streamlined but if like me you had to go throught the Google App > Google migration: it sucked! Only some products could be migrated and when that happened no good alternatives existed. In several case even getting rid of the data was convoluted.So if Google looses patience over Google+ as quickly as with Wave… you’ll get even more resemblance. However I think that Google is very committed to Google+ (unlike with Wave). Also teh UI is much better in G+ than the all too experimental Wave UI.
There are some similitude… For one thing it should be well integrated with all Google products but it is not. For instance Google Apps users cannot use it. It is said to be available across all Google properties like YouTube but it is not the case… etc.I do think that Google is trying to make all this more streamlined but if like me you had to go throught the Google App > Google migration: it sucked! Only some products could be migrated and when that happened no good alternatives existed. In several case even getting rid of the data was convoluted.So if Google looses patience over Google+ as quickly as with Wave… you’ll get even more resemblance. However I think that Google is very committed to Google+ (unlike with Wave). Also teh UI is much better in G+ than the all too experimental Wave UI.
@Tom Anderson please, unblock me on G+, can’t even comment on your posts!!
Why can I not +1 this? :D
This article:- Perfect summarization of the Rise Of The Google’s Social Network
Interesting take on Google+ and how it will move forward and beyond. Agree with much of the content yet I will continue to monitor to see how this all plays out. Thanks for sharing!
Exactly, @Zee. Remember how Buzz did the exact same thing and remember how we all ignored it (except, apparently for the really hardcore users who cried foul when I said Buzz was dead). That’s what I’m worried about happening: people are just going to click it once a week to clear the notifications.
It’d be interesting to look into the volume of google searches for G+ compared to FB and buzz because while it’s a crude and blunt way to gauge interest in a product, it can produce some surprising results.
Yes everyone may end up using G+, but my bet is that they use it as a tool and not a social network. Tools like chat and e-mail are used by almost everyone to socialize, but they’re not a social networks. Social networks spawn cultures. They inspire loyalty among users and they inspire loyalty from users. They are greater than the sum of their parts. Even if it becomes ubiquitous (as a source of news?), Google+ will likely fail as a social network. More thoughts here: http://blog.web.blogads.com/2011/07/05/why-google-will-fail-social-networks-grow-like-trees-not-on-them/
Thank you for recognizing that G+ is as much Twitter as it is Facebook. It’s amazing how the appearance of Facebook convince so many that it is a duplicate.
And then, there’s Google Doc’s and Google Apps suite that people use more and more and the +1 is ever present.
I think those writers are not getting that business part either. and while google’s at it, Microsoft Office (even if it has a online version) will be missing this socially integrated part.
Google+ is an all + not just that G+ part.
And then, there’s Google Doc’s and Google Apps suite that people use more and more and the +1 is ever present.
I think those writers are not getting that business part either. and while google’s at it, Microsoft Office (even if it has a online version) will be missing this socially integrated part.
Google+ is an all + not just that G+ part.
And then, there’s Google Doc’s and Google Apps suite that people use more and more and the +1 is ever present.
I think those writers are not getting that business part either. and while google’s at it, Microsoft Office (even if it has a online version) will be missing this socially integrated part.
Google+ is an all + not just that G+ part.
Very well written and We do agree to it. Google+ certainly is a serious contender to over take Facebook and twitter in the coming years because of the following reasons:
A. Reputation
B. Reach
C. Already laid Sound Platform
They do have a sound platform from where they could take off and challenge Social media giants like Facebook and Twitter. Google+ has to make sure that they do come up with good applications like hang-outs every now and then, and if they are able to do so then certainly they will be competing with Facebook head to head. Facebook also worked on their Privacy settings and the latest changes that they have made are pretty good along with the Video chat feature. They have thrown the ball in the court of Google and now it is up to Google to cope with it and come up with something unique. They can’t afford to lose their Unique selling point, a lot of people are literally fed up of Facebook. Without a doubt all Google+ has to do is give them the right environment. Google+ is still to launch their Business profile which will enable the Businesses to setup their profiles at Google+ and socialize. For the record they need to make sure that they don’t let it get carried away like Orkut which was a big failure as they narrowed it and it became too monotonous with limited creativity. Technology need changes and evolution to get noticed and to be heard, that is exactly what Google has to do right now to take Google+ to the next level.
Very well written and We do agree to it. Google+ certainly is a serious contender to over take Facebook and twitter in the coming years because of the following reasons:
A. Reputation
B. Reach
C. Already laid Sound Platform
They do have a sound platform from where they could take off and challenge Social media giants like Facebook and Twitter. Google+ has to make sure that they do come up with good applications like hang-outs every now and then, and if they are able to do so then certainly they will be competing with Facebook head to head. Facebook also worked on their Privacy settings and the latest changes that they have made are pretty good along with the Video chat feature. They have thrown the ball in the court of Google and now it is up to Google to cope with it and come up with something unique. They can’t afford to lose their Unique selling point, a lot of people are literally fed up of Facebook. Without a doubt all Google+ has to do is give them the right environment. Google+ is still to launch their Business profile which will enable the Businesses to setup their profiles at Google+ and socialize. For the record they need to make sure that they don’t let it get carried away like Orkut which was a big failure as they narrowed it and it became too monotonous with limited creativity. Technology need changes and evolution to get noticed and to be heard, that is exactly what Google has to do right now to take Google+ to the next level.
I like the smallness of G+ right now. I can actually read my stream and comment on happenings. No way can I do that anymore in Twitter. And, I like the quickness of typing G+. Two keystrokes and I move on. Very cool. :)
A very fascinating article that reminds us of how well Google’s integrated into the fabric of the web, the seamless integration of G+ with other Google services is definitely a plus for Google hence G+
I disagree that Google+ will topple twitter. Most people seem to forget that twitter’s 140 characters is the exact amount of letter available for SMS. Twitter is really just a nice way to organize and utilize TXT. People seems to lament the fact that they are limited on twitter but the fact is twitter is a layer built upon SMS which does not seem to be going any place soon.
my sms allows 450 char. o.O i think it depends on your carrier, no?
to ROB….in the near future the carriers are going to eliminate SMS/MMS. (The carriers are now getting rid of unlimited sms packages, or just charging an arm and leg for them, check AT&T’s new package. This all pointing to data usage.)Now that has really nothing to do with Twitter, but when the sms platform/style of communication is is gone (140 characters), then users get used to something else… like IM. IM uses data, and the carriers want users to use data, and a lot =$$$$
This will change the game, because when it costs users extra cash to use SMS/MMS (.20/.30 cents each), then they might as well use IM, which is a faster, cheaper more reliable platform then SMS/MMS….
Where i can put +1?? I only see the “like” button…
I disagree. I think Google have shown themselves to be bullies & very short-sighted. More & more people I know are leaving G+ & there’s a mass deletion planned for Sept 1st. People are even looking for alternatives to Google for *search* because of the Nymwars debacle. The trust is gone. If I have to pay for a hosted web solution, so be it.
I disagree. I think Google have shown themselves to be bullies & very short-sighted. More & more people I know are leaving G+ & there’s a mass deletion planned for Sept 1st. People are even looking for alternatives to Google for *search* because of the Nymwars debacle. The trust is gone. If I have to pay for a hosted web solution, so be it.
Apple vs. Samsung – read this And you’ll see why 2011 wont be like “1984”!
http://wp.me/p1Mrnd-22
the Bozo.
I disagree with Matt Moran, I think the team behind G+ is doing an excellent job and producing (It’s still work in progress) a tool/social network for the future.
As an early adopter (1st Gen G+) I have been amazed by the quality of individuals I have met there, from the Photographers to the Musicians. I have enjoyed numerous Hangouts and met a number of people over the past few months that I started out calling them G+ Acquaintances and now I count them as Friends.
There is something for everyone there, it’s up to you how you use it. And I look forward to Sept 1st to see how many leave.. ha ha too bad…. so sad… bye bye!!
I disagree with Matt Moran, I think the team behind G+ is doing an excellent job and producing (It’s still work in progress) a tool/social network for the future.
As an early adopter (1st Gen G+) I have been amazed by the quality of individuals I have met there, from the Photographers to the Musicians. I have enjoyed numerous Hangouts and met a number of people over the past few months that I started out calling them G+ Acquaintances and now I count them as Friends.
There is something for everyone there, it’s up to you how you use it. And I look forward to Sept 1st to see how many leave.. ha ha too bad…. so sad… bye bye!!
+1 to Tom !
+1 to Tom !
At this stage, even Scoble realises that the G+ “Real Names” is a farce. He tells Gundotra as much.
https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/XQKT1XkPBgi
He discovers that female G+ users tend to post only in circles and not publicly. He understands from his own experience that females can get a hard time on the Net. He understands that holding back from public posting can be bad for all.
https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/PqWaSB5tD18
He doesn’t seem to be able to link and extend this experience to the people in (for example) http://my.nameis.me/ or http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Real_Names%22_policy%3F
Why is Google hell-bent on forcing through this insane “Real Names” policy? Gundotra wants the aesthetic. He wats to set a tone – much like being required to wear a shirt in a restaurant.
The answer seems to be that Google are aiming for the revenue they expect from the low-hanging fruit – the ‘conservative literalist thinkers, what some marketing people call the “true believers”. This link is a really good analysis – https://plus.google.com/101371184407256956306/posts/GxJqoKMRGJC
Their problem is that the low-hanging-fruit are mostly in FaceBook, and won’t have a particularly good reason to migrate.
Scoble (again) while bemoaning what he perceives as the death of blog comments, mentions the reaction to the recent FaceBook changes to enable a more G+ upfront control of who sees what.
In https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/d4SuVPG8pVw he reports puny numbers of comments on blogs that mentioned the FaceBook changes.
He deduces that blog comments are dead. He doen’t seem to notice the huge numbers of comments on blog postings dealing with G+ “Real Names”
The reality might be that FaceBookers don’t really care, and will take whatever FaceBook throws at them.
They are not going to uproot and migrate.
Your point about the effect of the Google stable of services is indeed true. It is, however, a double-edged sword.
People are now exporting their data out of Google services as they start to realise that any issue with a Google+ Profile will have repercussions on all of their blogs, photos, chat, email, apps, etc.
Google+ is a Brand trust and PR trainwreck.
http://merriamassociates.com/2011/07/google-screws-up-the-brand-trust-equation/
Given Google’s bullying and their insane implied promise to verify the identity of 400 or 700 Million people, they deserve to crash.
Google is simply to big and too influential to be allowed to do whatever it wishes.
meh
More than happy to use Google+, but I can’t. Sucks that I bought into the whole Google Apps thing.
@myspacetom Nice to see someone give the long view most of the tech columns are just looking at the short term.
If Google Tv and Apple Tv are able to get into the living rooms in a bigway sharing Youtube videos through Google+ could be a great disruptor for regular media. Today most tech blogs are audio then you would be posting Video/Audio blogs to your followers.
I meant text instead of Audio
I meant text instead of Audio
Where is the Google +1 button?
+1 Tom
Google really is jsut cool like that.
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This is why @Tom Anderson is still the leader who other leaders follow.
when I first joined facebook, none of my friends were there. same for twitter.
you’re exactly right about the Big Four domain assets. Google+ IS Google, which means G+ is also youtube, blogger, gmail etc. It’s a fishbowl in reverse. Rather than have us log and use all these facebook branded services, Google is simply putting a tiny (but powerful) little scaffolding over the Google services we already use, and poof, there’s your G+ interface. Tom, you’re exactly right.
YouTube is the only Google service that I touch and even that pains me. I don’t have a Google account and never will. I can say with confidence that I will not, in fact, use Google+
I agree with you 100% Tom.And it is not based on what you have written,but it is based on My own personal experience of having used Google+ for the past one month.I find a lot of interesting and knowledge posts on G+.I am on Twitter too,but I feel G+ id ultimate till some one comes with a much better option
I agree with you 100% Tom.And it is not based on what you have written,but it is based on My own personal experience of having used Google+ for the past one month.I find a lot of interesting and knowledge posts on G+.I am on Twitter too,but I feel G+ id ultimate till some one comes with a much better option
I agree with you 100% Tom.And it is not based on what you have written,but it is based on My own personal experience of having used Google+ for the past one month.I find a lot of interesting and knowledge posts on G+.I am on Twitter too,but I feel G+ is ultimate till some one comes with a much better option
I think it depends on what you mean by “succeeds.” If you define succeeds as people logging in at least once, then I agree with you that Google+ has that potential — just like Buzz did. If you define that succeeds means users will actually use G+ more than once a month, then I also believe that. But if you mean that Google+ will overtake Facebook, well that’s a little far-reached. I don’t think social networking is a win-all type of game. There approach about embedding it everywhere is the right thing to do. Always bring the user back. Overall, should be interesting to see what happens over time.
” This group — who mostly don’t understand G+ — have indicated that they see no future for Google’s new baby”
How dismissive. Are you truly one of those people who believes that all dislike stems solely from a lack of understanding?
I know exactly how Google Plus works. I know that it’s freaking awesome in terms of what it can do and how it will be used.
I also know that *I* will not be using it, despite my intense desire to. Why? Because apparently they would rather me use a COMPLETELY fake name that *looks* right than a name that’s actually closer to my real name.
They’re treated anyone who complains like crap – when they’ve deigned to respond at all.
(Previously) die-hard google fans still remember Wave (remember that last big thing that was going to rock the internet?). It bombed without apparent malice from Google. Now Google is, essentially, telling a large group of potential users to f- off. Yeah. That will get people lining up around the block for your service.
One niche community that’s latched on to G+ is science fiction fandom… Which also means a good number of science fiction writers and publishers have gotten active on it as well. One could argue that’s similar to the tech community, since sf has had so much influence on tech and it’s where many sf people make their living… but there you go.
I also get the sense comics/graphic media folks are going onto G+ — mostly because the photo integration is so strong it’s almost a publishing platform for them.
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10 reasons why Google+ is better than Facebook as a gaming platform.
http://aabids.blogspot.com/2011/08/here-is-why-google-is-better-than.html
Even after this blog, people keep thinking that G+ isn’t going to rock the world of social networking. Even in its beta state its started gathering numerous followers. I had no friend in G+ when I started using it but eventually numerous of my facebook friends made an account on G+ as well. I now prefer to use G+ instead of facebook. The advantages mentioned in the blog are just starters, G+ is going to get lot better than facebook. The main problem is that people like to remain orthodox in their approach to something they think is familiar. We ought not be prejudiced against G+ and give it a try. When you actually start using G+ you get the same feeling of addiction you get from facebook. Its just stupidity to think that facebook is always gonna remain on top, Someday its gonna topple and most probably due to Google+
@Kaitlin Guzzi Of course not. I’m talking about a group of journalist, as I describe in my article. There are plenty of reasons why you or anyone else may dislike the service. That’s not the point. @Franklyn Chien Good point to ask that question. I think “success” could be pretty varied, but the main point is I think usage will trend upward over the long run.
@Kaitlin Guzzi Of course not. I’m talking about a group of journalist, as I describe in my article. There are plenty of reasons why you or anyone else may dislike the service. That’s not the point. @Franklyn Chien Good point to ask that question. I think “success” could be pretty varied, but the main point is I think usage will trend upward over the long run.
Quote: “…. and why youll use it whether you want to or not”
I beg to differ on that above quote. Google+ dont want me. Why? Cos I want to use my Nymname. That is the name Im known under in virtual space and if I suddenly start using my “wallet” name 99% of people Im in daily contact with wont know who I am.
So no… I wont be signing up for Google+. Sorry bout that (ok not really sorry ;) )
I think that your piece reckons without the determination of Google to annoy intelligent people.
At this stage, even Scoble realises that the G+ “Real Names” is a farce. He tells Gundotra as much. https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/post... He discovers that female G+ users tend to post only in circles and not publicly. He understands from his own experience that females can get a hard time on the Net. He understands that holding back from public posting can be bad for all. https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/post... He doesn’t seem to be able to link and extend this experience to the people in (for example) http://my.nameis.me/ or http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_b... Why is Google hell-bent on forcing through this insane “Real Names” policy? Gundotra wants the aesthetic. He wats to set a tone – much like being required to wear a shirt in a restaurant. The answer seems to be that Google are aiming for the revenue they expect from the low-hanging fruit – the ‘conservative literalist thinkers, what some marketing people call the “true believers”. This link is a really good analysis – https://plus.google.com/101371184407256956306/post... Their problem is that the low-hanging-fruit are mostly in FaceBook, and won’t have a particularly good reason to migrate. Scoble (again) while bemoaning what he perceives as the death of blog comments, mentions the reaction to the recent FaceBook changes to enable a more G+ upfront control of who sees what. In https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/post... he reports puny numbers of comments on blogs that mentioned the FaceBook changes. He deduces that blog comments are dead. He doen’t seem to notice the huge numbers of comments on blog postings dealing with G+ “Real Names” The reality might be that FaceBookers don’t really care, and will take whatever FaceBook throws at them. They are not going to uproot and migrate. Your point about the effect of the Google stable of services is indeed true. It is, however, a double-edged sword. People are now exporting their data out of Google services as they start to realise that any issue with a Google+ Profile will have repercussions on all of their blogs, photos, chat, email, apps, etc. Google+ is a Brand trust and PR trainwreck. http://merriamassociates.com/2011/07/google-screws... Given Google’s bullying and their insane implied promise to verify the identity of 400 or 700 Million people, they deserve to crash. Google is simply to big and too influential to be allowed to do whatever it wishes.
I think that your piece reckons without the determination of Google to annoy intelligent people.
At this stage, even Scoble realises that the G+ “Real Names” is a farce. He tells Gundotra as much. https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/post... He discovers that female G+ users tend to post only in circles and not publicly. He understands from his own experience that females can get a hard time on the Net. He understands that holding back from public posting can be bad for all. https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/post... He doesn’t seem to be able to link and extend this experience to the people in (for example) http://my.nameis.me/ or http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_b... Why is Google hell-bent on forcing through this insane “Real Names” policy? Gundotra wants the aesthetic. He wats to set a tone – much like being required to wear a shirt in a restaurant. The answer seems to be that Google are aiming for the revenue they expect from the low-hanging fruit – the ‘conservative literalist thinkers, what some marketing people call the “true believers”. This link is a really good analysis – https://plus.google.com/101371184407256956306/post... Their problem is that the low-hanging-fruit are mostly in FaceBook, and won’t have a particularly good reason to migrate. Scoble (again) while bemoaning what he perceives as the death of blog comments, mentions the reaction to the recent FaceBook changes to enable a more G+ upfront control of who sees what. In https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/post... he reports puny numbers of comments on blogs that mentioned the FaceBook changes. He deduces that blog comments are dead. He doen’t seem to notice the huge numbers of comments on blog postings dealing with G+ “Real Names” The reality might be that FaceBookers don’t really care, and will take whatever FaceBook throws at them. They are not going to uproot and migrate. Your point about the effect of the Google stable of services is indeed true. It is, however, a double-edged sword. People are now exporting their data out of Google services as they start to realise that any issue with a Google+ Profile will have repercussions on all of their blogs, photos, chat, email, apps, etc. Google+ is a Brand trust and PR trainwreck. http://merriamassociates.com/2011/07/google-screws... Given Google’s bullying and their insane implied promise to verify the identity of 400 or 700 Million people, they deserve to crash. Google is simply to big and too influential to be allowed to do whatever it wishes.
I think that your piece misses that Google seems determined to insult the intelligence of intelligent people, starting with the cream of the early-adopters.
At this stage, even Scoble realises that the G+ “Real Names” is a farce. He tells Gundotra as much. https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/XQKT1XkPBgi
He discovers that female G+ users tend to post only in circles and not publicly. He understands from his own experience that females can get a hard time on the Net. He understands that holding back from public posting can be bad for all. https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/PqWaSB5tD18
He doesn’t seem to be able to link and extend this experience to the people in (for example) http://my.nameis.me/ or http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Real_Names%22_policy
Why is Google hell-bent on forcing through this insane “Real Names” policy? Gundotra wants the aesthetic. He wants to set a tone – much like being required to wear a shirt in a restaurant. The answer seems to be that Google are aiming for the revenue they expect from the low-hanging fruit – the ‘conservative literalist thinkers, what some marketing people call the “true believers”. This link is a really good analysis – https://plus.google.com/101371184407256956306/posts/GxJqoKMRGJC
Their problem is that the low-hanging-fruit are mostly in FaceBook, and won’t have a particularly good reason to migrate. Scoble (again) while bemoaning what he perceives as the death of blog comments, mentions the reaction to the recent FaceBook changes to enable a more G+ upfront control of who sees what.
In https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/d4SuVPG8pVw he reports puny numbers of comments on blogs that mentioned the FaceBook changes. He deduces that blog comments are dead. He doen’t seem to notice the huge numbers of comments on blog postings dealing with G+ “Real Names”
The reality might be that FaceBookers don’t really care, and will take whatever FaceBook throws at them. They are not going to uproot and migrate.
Your point about the effect of the Google stable of services is indeed true. It is, however, a double-edged sword. People are now exporting their data out of Google services as they start to realise that any issue with a Google+ Profile will have repercussions on all of their blogs, photos, chat, email, apps, etc. Google+ is a Brand trust and PR trainwreck. http://merriamassociates.com/2011/07/google-screws-up-the-brand-trust-equation/
Given Google’s bullying and their insane implied promise to verify the identity of 400 or 700 Million people, they deserve to crash.
Google is simply to big and too influential to be allowed to do whatever it wishes.
I think that your piece misses that Google seems determined to insult the intelligence of intelligent people, starting with the cream of the early-adopters.
At this stage, even Scoble realises that the G+ “Real Names” is a farce. He tells Gundotra as much. https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/XQKT1XkPBgi
He discovers that female G+ users tend to post only in circles and not publicly. He understands from his own experience that females can get a hard time on the Net. He understands that holding back from public posting can be bad for all. https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/PqWaSB5tD18
He doesn’t seem to be able to link and extend this experience to the people in (for example) http://my.nameis.me/ or http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Real_Names%22_policy
Why is Google hell-bent on forcing through this insane “Real Names” policy? Gundotra wants the aesthetic. He wants to set a tone – much like being required to wear a shirt in a restaurant. The answer seems to be that Google are aiming for the revenue they expect from the low-hanging fruit – the ‘conservative literalist thinkers, what some marketing people call the “true believers”. This link is a really good analysis – https://plus.google.com/101371184407256956306/posts/GxJqoKMRGJC
Their problem is that the low-hanging-fruit are mostly in FaceBook, and won’t have a particularly good reason to migrate. Scoble (again) while bemoaning what he perceives as the death of blog comments, mentions the reaction to the recent FaceBook changes to enable a more G+ upfront control of who sees what.
In https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/d4SuVPG8pVw he reports puny numbers of comments on blogs that mentioned the FaceBook changes. He deduces that blog comments are dead. He doen’t seem to notice the huge numbers of comments on blog postings dealing with G+ “Real Names”
The reality might be that FaceBookers don’t really care, and will take whatever FaceBook throws at them. They are not going to uproot and migrate.
Your point about the effect of the Google stable of services is indeed true. It is, however, a double-edged sword. People are now exporting their data out of Google services as they start to realise that any issue with a Google+ Profile will have repercussions on all of their blogs, photos, chat, email, apps, etc. Google+ is a Brand trust and PR trainwreck. http://merriamassociates.com/2011/07/google-screws-up-the-brand-trust-equation/
Given Google’s bullying and their insane implied promise to verify the identity of 400 or 700 Million people, they deserve to crash.
Google is simply to big and too influential to be allowed to do whatever it wishes.
very good points Tom. I think you’re probably right with what you said. Please check out a blog post I wrote on Google+ last month and why I think it will fail and let me know your thoughts.
http://thebizinsight.com/?p=68
^^I never took the red button/black bar idea into consideration when reviewing Google+^^
^^I never took the red button/black bar idea into consideration when reviewing Google+^^
Google + does indeed have some potentially massive market share by virtue of Google’s other products but I won’t be using it whilst they won’t officially allow pseudonyms, there’s no appeal for me if I can’t use my pseudonym there, absolutely no hook.
Google + does indeed have some potentially massive market share by virtue of Google’s other products but I won’t be using it whilst they won’t officially allow pseudonyms, there’s no appeal for me if I can’t use my pseudonym there, absolutely no hook.
I think that your piece misses that Google seems determined to insult the intelligence of intelligent people, starting with the cream of the early-adopters.
At this stage, even Scoble realises that the G+ “Real Names” is a farce. He tells Gundotra as much. https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/XQKT1XkPBgi
He discovers that female G+ users tend to post only in circles and not publicly. He understands from his own experience that females can get a hard time on the Net. He understands that holding back from public posting can be bad for all. https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/PqWaSB5tD18
He doesn’t seem to be able to link and extend this experience to the people in (for example) http://my.nameis.me/ or http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Real_Names%22_policy
Why is Google hell-bent on forcing through this insane “Real Names” policy? Gundotra wants the aesthetic. He wants to set a tone – much like being required to wear a shirt in a restaurant.
The answer seems to be that Google are aiming for the revenue they expect from the low-hanging fruit – the ‘conservative literalist thinkers, what some marketing people call the “true believers”. This link is a really good analysis – https://plus.google.com/101371184407256956306/posts/GxJqoKMRGJC
Their problem is that the low-hanging-fruit are mostly in FaceBook, and won’t have a particularly good reason to migrate.
Scoble (again) while bemoaning what he perceives as the death of blog comments, mentions the reaction to the recent FaceBook changes to enable a more G+ upfront control of who sees what.
In https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/d4SuVPG8pVw he reports puny numbers of comments on blogs that mentioned the FaceBook changes. He deduces that blog comments are dead. He doen’t seem to notice the huge numbers of comments on blog postings dealing with G+ “Real Names”
The reality might be that FaceBookers don’t really care, and will take whatever FaceBook throws at them. They are not going to uproot and migrate.
Your point about the effect of the Google stable of services is indeed true. It is, however, a double-edged sword. People are now exporting their data out of Google services as they start to realise that any issue with a Google+ Profile will have repercussions on all of their blogs, photos, chat, email, apps, etc.
Google+ is a Brand trust and PR trainwreck. http://merriamassociates.com/2011/07/google-screws-up-the-brand-trust-equation/
Given Google’s bullying and their insane implied promise to verify the identity of 400 or 700 Million people, they deserve to crash.
Google is simply to big and too influential to be allowed to do whatever it wishes.
I think that your piece misses that Google seems determined to insult the intelligence of intelligent people, starting with the cream of the early-adopters.
At this stage, even Scoble realises that the G+ “Real Names” is a farce. He tells Gundotra as much. https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/XQKT1XkPBgi
He discovers that female G+ users tend to post only in circles and not publicly. He understands from his own experience that females can get a hard time on the Net. He understands that holding back from public posting can be bad for all. https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/PqWaSB5tD18
He doesn’t seem to be able to link and extend this experience to the people in (for example) http://my.nameis.me/ or http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Real_Names%22_policy
Why is Google hell-bent on forcing through this insane “Real Names” policy? Gundotra wants the aesthetic. He wants to set a tone – much like being required to wear a shirt in a restaurant.
The answer seems to be that Google are aiming for the revenue they expect from the low-hanging fruit – the ‘conservative literalist thinkers, what some marketing people call the “true believers”. This link is a really good analysis – https://plus.google.com/101371184407256956306/posts/GxJqoKMRGJC
Their problem is that the low-hanging-fruit are mostly in FaceBook, and won’t have a particularly good reason to migrate.
Scoble (again) while bemoaning what he perceives as the death of blog comments, mentions the reaction to the recent FaceBook changes to enable a more G+ upfront control of who sees what.
In https://plus.google.com/111091089527727420853/posts/d4SuVPG8pVw he reports puny numbers of comments on blogs that mentioned the FaceBook changes. He deduces that blog comments are dead. He doen’t seem to notice the huge numbers of comments on blog postings dealing with G+ “Real Names”
The reality might be that FaceBookers don’t really care, and will take whatever FaceBook throws at them. They are not going to uproot and migrate.
Your point about the effect of the Google stable of services is indeed true. It is, however, a double-edged sword. People are now exporting their data out of Google services as they start to realise that any issue with a Google+ Profile will have repercussions on all of their blogs, photos, chat, email, apps, etc.
Google+ is a Brand trust and PR trainwreck. http://merriamassociates.com/2011/07/google-screws-up-the-brand-trust-equation/
Given Google’s bullying and their insane implied promise to verify the identity of 400 or 700 Million people, they deserve to crash.
Google is simply to big and too influential to be allowed to do whatever it wishes.
Well, specifically, which group of journalists are you talking about then? Because the only articles I’ve been reading about Google +’s demise are ones that seem to be in the exact same state of mind as me…. Again, I truly believe you are erroneously assuming ignorance is responsible for dislike.
Well, specifically, which group of journalists are you talking about then? Because the only articles I’ve been reading about Google +’s demise are ones that seem to be in the exact same state of mind as me…. Again, I truly believe you are erroneously assuming ignorance is responsible for dislike.
@hbobrien As a comic maker, I would disagree. The picture previews are too large and the picture displays themselves are too small.
This site either (1) lusts to be Twitter (so short comments) or (2) is averse to comments containing a number of links – which is a pity as links to relevant content can be useful to illustrate a point.
Either way, it nukes comments silently, and nobody is home to respond to queries.
Although the stable of Google applications does constitute a magnet, there are other factors which may outweigh that.
Unfortunately, this site seems unwilling to entertain a description of those.
@Kaitlin Guzzi “(T)he only articles I’ve been reading about Google +’s demise are ones that seem to be in the exact same state of mind as me…”
I encourage you to google the phrase, “confirmation bias.”
@Kaitlin Guzzi “(T)he only articles I’ve been reading about Google +’s demise are ones that seem to be in the exact same state of mind as me…”
I encourage you to google the phrase, “confirmation bias.”
You’re 100% right- I’m glad to finally see someone influential concur with what I’ve been saying. Google Plus’ best chance of success is not as a Facebook competitor- it is as a Twitter replacement.
It will not kill Facebook- and not because most peoples’ friends are on Facebook. It is because you need a Google account to use it and people who use Hotmail, Yahoo, etc are not going to switch to Gmail just to use G+. Facebook has the advantage because you can sign up with any email address.
On the other hand, G+ is a much better Twitter than Twitter. It is Twitter without the word limits, and with embedable media. It could easily be the next Twitter. However, Google foolishly doesn’t see the one obstacle to fulfilling this destiny: their silly real-name policy.
Twitter has exploded partly because you can sign up with pseudonyms. G+ will not replace Twitter until it does the same. Without resolution of the Nym issue, G+ will always be less Facebook than Facebook, and less Twitter than Twitter. Not quite better enough than each of them to truly kill them off.
The omnipresence of the black bar, and Google’s existing ubiquity, do indeed have huge potential for social networking. I only hope that a service like G+ will make it quicker and more intuitive to manage the two-way flow of online information we all struggle to handle, rather than just becoming one more channel to add to the current ones.
What Tom Anderson doesn’t understnad is that being like Twitter or FAcebook is the recipe for it FAILING. Becuase people are not LOOKING for alternatives to Twitter or Facebook.
Google+ offers what nobody asked for, nor wants. And that is why no one is using it anymore and why over 90% of invitations are going left unclicked by their recipients.
What Tom Anderson doesn’t understnad is that being like Twitter or FAcebook is the recipe for it FAILING. Becuase people are not LOOKING for alternatives to Twitter or Facebook.
Google+ offers what nobody asked for, nor wants. And that is why no one is using it anymore and why over 90% of invitations are going left unclicked by their recipients.
What Tom Anderson doesn’t understnad is that being like Twitter or FAcebook is the recipe for it FAILING. Becuase people are not LOOKING for alternatives to Twitter or Facebook.
Google+ offers what nobody asked for, nor wants. And that is why no one is using it anymore and why over 90% of invitations are going left unclicked by their recipients.
@Motmaitre People don’t WANT to have long widned posts showing up in their stream. If they did, then the fad of everyone having their own annoying personal blogs would not have died down in the middle of the last decade. Not to mention…the majority of people still do not have smartphones, nor are they planning on getting one any time soon. So that character limit is still VERY applicable for the people who want to update via a text message, which was the whole point of Twitter to begin with. The most GENEROUS prediction for smartphones is that it will cross the 50% mark in 2015. And Google will be LONG since discontinued by then. Until then, Google is providing a service that over half of their potential customers don’t want. So why would they switch.
Thebottom line is, THE most important thing about a social network is teh SOCIAL aspect. And Google does not have that nor is it getting it. Again, to point out some facts to the fanboys…it took 4 weeks for Google to sign up 25 million members (most of which did not stick around to actually use it a second time.) 25 million in 4 weeks. HOWEVER…in the last 5 weeks, they have signed up less than FIVE million. So what was 6 million a week has turned into less than 1 million. A drop of 85%. And this despite the fact that Google made it MUCH easier to invite up to 150 people at once.
Think about it this way..those original 25 million people all could invite 150 million people. Let’s say they sent invitations to just 5 people each. And that only 40% (2 people) accepted. And ittook them 2 weeks to do so. And then in the next two weeks, all the members invited just 5 people, getting 2 to accept. If that was the case, Google+ should have 250 million people by now. Even with those VERY pessimistic numbers.
@Motmaitre People don’t WANT to have long widned posts showing up in their stream. If they did, then the fad of everyone having their own annoying personal blogs would not have died down in the middle of the last decade. Not to mention…the majority of people still do not have smartphones, nor are they planning on getting one any time soon. So that character limit is still VERY applicable for the people who want to update via a text message, which was the whole point of Twitter to begin with. The most GENEROUS prediction for smartphones is that it will cross the 50% mark in 2015. And Google will be LONG since discontinued by then. Until then, Google is providing a service that over half of their potential customers don’t want. So why would they switch.
Thebottom line is, THE most important thing about a social network is teh SOCIAL aspect. And Google does not have that nor is it getting it. Again, to point out some facts to the fanboys…it took 4 weeks for Google to sign up 25 million members (most of which did not stick around to actually use it a second time.) 25 million in 4 weeks. HOWEVER…in the last 5 weeks, they have signed up less than FIVE million. So what was 6 million a week has turned into less than 1 million. A drop of 85%. And this despite the fact that Google made it MUCH easier to invite up to 150 people at once.
Think about it this way..those original 25 million people all could invite 150 million people. Let’s say they sent invitations to just 5 people each. And that only 40% (2 people) accepted. And ittook them 2 weeks to do so. And then in the next two weeks, all the members invited just 5 people, getting 2 to accept. If that was the case, Google+ should have 250 million people by now. Even with those VERY pessimistic numbers.
@adilahmad You can make up all kinds of bullshit how your “friends” are switching to Google+, but that doesn’t change the FACt that traffic to Google+ is FALLING and has been for an entire month now. If so many of your friends are using it now, then they are not representative of the general population. (Remember…NO ONE on this planet wishes that they had your life. Not even the staving African kids with flies buzzing around their faces in the Sally Struthers commercials.) Traffic is falling, and sign ups have slowed to a crawl. Meanwhile, BOTH Facebook and Twitter saw record numbers in traffic and sign ups for July. (Facebook has gained more new users since Google+’s launch than Google+ has…think about that.)
@adilahmad You can make up all kinds of bullshit how your “friends” are switching to Google+, but that doesn’t change the FACt that traffic to Google+ is FALLING and has been for an entire month now. If so many of your friends are using it now, then they are not representative of the general population. (Remember…NO ONE on this planet wishes that they had your life. Not even the staving African kids with flies buzzing around their faces in the Sally Struthers commercials.) Traffic is falling, and sign ups have slowed to a crawl. Meanwhile, BOTH Facebook and Twitter saw record numbers in traffic and sign ups for July. (Facebook has gained more new users since Google+’s launch than Google+ has…think about that.)
@Aabid Siddique Yeah..I was really wondering what an unemployed nobody had to say on the subject. Since you are such an expert.
I will not give your pathetic blog any pageviews..but I assume you mentioned the 5% instead of 30% somewhere in your blog. And that is why you are a fucking idiot. Are you really goingto say that ANY developer is going to go Google+ exclusive because of that extra 25%? WEll…SMARt people know that it is better to get 70% revenue on 750 million potential customers than it is to get 95% on about 2 million. (And make no bones about it…that is about all that is ACTUALLY using Google+) Since PLAYING the games in either one is no different, there is no reason why Google+’s games will be better, other than Google won’t make as much money on it.
@Christopher Cocca Most people DON’T use those other services. OTher than YouTube…and most people who use YouTube don’t have an account.
I know you are one of those delusional fanboys who thinks that Gmail is the top web based e-mail service, but the reality is it is a DISTANT third place behind Hotmail (which has almost 3 times as many users) and Yahoo (which has close to duble) and just recently passed AOL Mail. (Yes…THAT AOL) And Gmail is BY FAR the most used Google service. Even if EVERY single person that had a Google account of some sort signed up and used Google+, it would still have about 1/4 the number of users that Facebook has.
the bottom line is, MOST people don’t sleep with pictures of Sergey and Larry under their pillow and a tube of KY jelly and tissues nearby. Most people don’t give a fuck about Google. And many outright HATe them. Many also know that Google is FAR worse than FAcebook ever is about using your personal information for their own financial gain (it is how they are a 170 billion dolalr company…SOLELY from selling personal information) because Facebook only has what you EXPLICITLY give them whereas Google has ALL your internet habits with their Analytics on almost every page. So ifthey can suddenly put a face and name to your IP address, they will sell everything they can to the highest bidder.
@Christopher Cocca Most people DON’T use those other services. OTher than YouTube…and most people who use YouTube don’t have an account.
I know you are one of those delusional fanboys who thinks that Gmail is the top web based e-mail service, but the reality is it is a DISTANT third place behind Hotmail (which has almost 3 times as many users) and Yahoo (which has close to duble) and just recently passed AOL Mail. (Yes…THAT AOL) And Gmail is BY FAR the most used Google service. Even if EVERY single person that had a Google account of some sort signed up and used Google+, it would still have about 1/4 the number of users that Facebook has.
the bottom line is, MOST people don’t sleep with pictures of Sergey and Larry under their pillow and a tube of KY jelly and tissues nearby. Most people don’t give a fuck about Google. And many outright HATe them. Many also know that Google is FAR worse than FAcebook ever is about using your personal information for their own financial gain (it is how they are a 170 billion dolalr company…SOLELY from selling personal information) because Facebook only has what you EXPLICITLY give them whereas Google has ALL your internet habits with their Analytics on almost every page. So ifthey can suddenly put a face and name to your IP address, they will sell everything they can to the highest bidder.
@Ben McNulty @Tom Anderson REally? The fact that he is clueless about social media (which might be why his failed so badly?)
@Daniyal Khatri Except they won’t. Both Google and Apple TV have been around long enough that if they were going to take off, they would haveby now. But about 3 dozen people have bought each one.
@Daniyal Khatri Except they won’t. Both Google and Apple TV have been around long enough that if they were going to take off, they would haveby now. But about 3 dozen people have bought each one.
@lordparker But that is REALLY sad that you look to the intenret to meet friends. Again…NO ONE wants to have your life. every single other erson in the world would rather kill themselves than have to resort to a social network to meet new people.
@jhewitt So..you are just making shit up and claiming it is a fact? Look, little 12 year old child..you are NOT an expert on the telecommunications industry. that is obvious. To predict that SMS is goingto go away is LUDICROUS since that is where they make the most of their money.
Aso..most people DON’T have smart phoens nor do they want one. Again for you pathetic social outcasts…most people DON’T feel the need to be online 24/7 via their phone. Here is something to think about until the day you kill yourself out oa sheer loneliness…no one will EVER say on their deathbed “Gee…I wish I spent MORE time on the internet while I was alive.” Why? Because that is not BEING alive. That is wasting an existence. That is failing at life…and that is what you are doing.
@Novina Wong No it doesn’t. SMS is 140. MMS is more…but the whole point of SMS isthat it piggy backs on dat already being sent to the network to tell them that your phone is ready to receive a call. Your phone may allow you to send larger texts, but it is received as separate texts and if you are charged by the text, you would be charged for multiple texts.
@MaavraTech Again…this shows just how delusional some social outcasts are. Google does NOT have this great reputation. Nor does it have a huge reach. 4 our of ever 5 people on the internt do not have a Google account and do not use ANYTHING with Google’s name on it other than google.com. (Even though recent studies have shown that Bing is amuch better serach engine.)
You have this ridiculousfalse notion that everyone ejaculates into their own palms and licks it up at the thought of Sergey and Larry…but more people HATE Google and distrust them than love them . And nowhere NEAR as many people think “Ooooh! It is Google so it MUST be good!” as you seem to think.
To put it another way again…even if EVERY single person with a Google account signed up and used Google+ (which is clearly not happening) then it would STILL have less than 1/4 as many users as Facebook. So tell me..how would that overtake Facebook?
And everyone STILL wants to ignore the FACT that Google+’s traffic has been FALLINMG for over a month. There is absolutely NO way to spin that, or the fact that sign up have slowed to an almost non-existent crawl since mid-July. Simply put, no one is signing up. Millions of invites have been sent out and are being ignored by their recipients. Because no one cares.
@Catarino™ Who thefuck do you think all these people that use Google Docs are? It has less than 1% of the office suite market.
That is like saying “all the people who use Linux” or “all the people who have a Zune”
@Anmol Sarita Bahl (Precious) Except it isn’t rising. Falling traffic for the last 5 weeks is not rising.
@Anmol Sarita Bahl (Precious) Except it isn’t rising. Falling traffic for the last 5 weeks is not rising.
@Anmol Sarita Bahl (Precious) Except it isn’t rising. Falling traffic for the last 5 weeks is not rising.
@michael litman Because no one cares enough to implement that feature on their sites since Google+ will be discontinued in a few months. ALREADY there is talk around the Google campus as to whether or not it is even WORTH trying to save it.
Stop with the trolling already!
@hbobrien Believe me, I know what confirmation bias is – I’m not saying the only sites I’ve read are saying Google will fail, I’ve seen a number saying it will succeed.
However, the “Google + will knock Facebook out of the water!” articles that I see are coming from non-tech savvy sources. Every article I’ve read on the other side of the fence (“Google is rapidly circling the drain”) appears to have been written by someone who knows at least a little bit about the internet, and would know what Google+ is capable of. This is why I’m wondering who Tom doesn’t respect as “with it” enough or, which articles I’m simply missing.
I would so hate for confirmation bias to affect my decision which is why I would like for Tom to simply name some of the articles he’s referring to so I can see if they are, indeed, articles I’ve missed, if they’re fringe articles no one should be reading anyway (“here’s a review of something I never tried!”) or what.
@Jonatha I have to disagree with you there – although based on your previous replied I know I risk a tongue lashing for even the most mild of opinions. I think the Google + set up is great and I could have easily seen it replacing Twitter and Facebook… *you* may not be looking for alternatives to this, but others are. I’m sick of several of my friends posting to both Twitter AND Facebook – clogging up both pages, while some of my friends are only on one or the other. Google + would have been a great merger.
However Google + has made it clear that Google does not care about its users. Vic’s response of “G+ is one of the occasions when we don’t seek to right the wrongs of the world” to simply allowing people (other than him) to use pseudonyms or conceal their real name is callous and egotistical. For one thing, do they honestly believe not creating a bot to sift through names would right ANY wrong of the world? How arrogant. It would simply prevent more wrongs from being committed. But they don’t care about that either, *and* they contribute to further wrongs. “Oh, were you stalked by someone when you were younger and are worried that allowing your unique name (one in six billion) to be searchable on the internet will allow them to find you again? Should have thought of that before you got yourself stalked! Now get out of here, you’re damaged goods and Google + don’t want that!”
THANK YOU guy!!! I saw this because a friend and I were arguing on Facebook (ironically). I fit into…well all 3 of your categories. Nerd, google uber fan, and fed up with Facebook. And (although I get that this isn’t your point) my google plus is fairly active! Because I’m friends with lots of people in those 3 categories :) Also as a journalist there’s one or two prominent journalists on there I’m following and as an int. dev. worker there’s one big int. dev worker. I also follow that guy who started cooking lessons on Google +! Pretty awesome. And I want to convince my tabla teacher (Indian drum teacher) from Toronto to start classes on google plus because that will be super convenient too!
That’s like saying that because more people use internet explorer, that internet explorer is a better browser than Firefox/Chrome/Opera. I would bet alot of those hotmail accounts are spam accounts as well since hotmail’s security for creating accounts is garbage compared to gmail. Same with yahoo, yahoo is decent, but once again – mostly spam accounts for a multitude of things including mail spamming, blog farms, link wheels (where thousands even millions of hotmails/yahoos are created to build links for websites). Say all you want but gmail is clearly a better functioning web based e-mail service than ANY of those combined with the labs features and i dont think there’s a better inhouse spam checker.
@sb I agree with you,people are certainly not looking at the alternatives for FB and Twitter, They were looking for something which could be better than those two. Calling G+ merely an alternative is not correct.
G+ is the next level platform for interaction verbal visual and text. Twitter and FB will continues to grow and it may take some time for the G+ to reach their numbers and beat.It is not going to happen in immediate future.
However the way the elite are moving towards G+ is an indication of its convenience.I amon all the platforms and I am already finding G+ a lot more convenient. and it could be the same with others too.
I think “Hangouts” could be a factor that would make people prefer it over the other sites.
Shyam
@sb I agree with you,people are certainly not looking at the alternatives for FB and Twitter, They were looking for something which could be better than those two. Calling G+ merely an alternative is not correct.
G+ is the next level platform for interaction verbal visual and text. Twitter and FB will continues to grow and it may take some time for the G+ to reach their numbers and beat.It is not going to happen in immediate future.
However the way the elite are moving towards G+ is an indication of its convenience.I amon all the platforms and I am already finding G+ a lot more convenient. and it could be the same with others too.
I think “Hangouts” could be a factor that would make people prefer it over the other sites.
Shyam
@jonathan how u gonna sit up on the blog shittin on errbody else opinion talkin down about tom an errbody, usin hella profanity n shit..quotin exaggerated stats in a intelllectual conversation..really? 36 ppl got a apple tv?? did u make a myspace..tom sittin up in hawaii writin articles and snorkeling..wtf are u doin besides shittin on ppl in blogs fuck outta here wit that bullshit.. and after me, u the only bitch cussin..put the n back on your name girl
sms is 160 fuck nigga.. twitter is 140 to compensate for usernames..for bein diarrhea u aint very smart..but thats why u a fuk nigga..where is your mute button lol!
@Jonatha u a real fuck nigga talkin to ppl like that..u must stay in da house cuz ppl ain talkin to each other like they some bitches..stay in da house
@Novina Wong i had a tracfone that sent 400 characters..the industry standard is set at 160 but ,yes, carriers have diff limits..this fool wit da lame twitter egg dont know wat he presumes to know
@Jonatha u talk mess but u cant even try to spell check..why even bother to share your opinion.. you fuck nigga you..u ruined a perfectly good read for me wit your negativity and character asassination ..and thats why u really are a fuck nigga!! buh bye
@Jonatha u talk mess but u cant even try to spell check..why even bother to share your opinion.. you fuck nigga you..u ruined a perfectly good read for me wit your negativity and character asassination ..and thats why u really are a fuck nigga!! buh bye
Well, I have to say that I am completely traumatised by this thread. I had been assured by philosophers, sociologists and sundry geniuses in threads all over the Net that a prime reason for Real Names is that is ensures polite (classy) discourse.
Now – William Ordoyne is a Real Name.
It is just the kind of name that Vic Gundotra (real name Vivek Gundotra) wants to see wearing a shirt in the Google+ restaurant. It is just the kind of name that does not get Google saying “Change your name within four days or we will delete your account – and any data of yours in the Google stable.”
Could it be that use of a Real Name is no more indicative of good behaviour than is the use of any other flavour of name?
Yup! It could.
@Sling Trebuchet i just dont prefer rude ppl to the point that i will match and exceed their rudeness and vulgarity to make the point .. no apologies for that..
glad i could set the example for the failure of bad policy lulz!
I can “like” this article, I can tweet this article, but I can’t +1 it. What’s up with that?
I do see the potential of Google+ although it seems to be more of a business and networking vibe so far than a social thing.
I can “like” this article, I can tweet this article, but I can’t +1 it. What’s up with that?
I do see the potential of Google+ although it seems to be more of a business and networking vibe so far than a social thing.
I agree with you. I see about 2 of my 450 friends on Facebook that have been using Google+.
The thing is, not everyone has a Gmail account, and not everyone wants to rebuild their connections on another social network. IF Google succeeds at the social network game, it will be 3-5 years down the road.
I agree with you. I see about 2 of my 450 friends on Facebook that have been using Google+.
The thing is, not everyone has a Gmail account, and not everyone wants to rebuild their connections on another social network. IF Google succeeds at the social network game, it will be 3-5 years down the road.
“the elite are moving towards G+”
Would you care to elaborate what you mean by “elite?” If you are referring to “tech people,” they are never a good indication of whether a social network will be successful. Many products with early adopters have failed. Remember, Facebook is successful because kids and mom & pop like it. Google+ (which I have tried and find incredibly boring) is permanently linked to a Gmail address/Google profile, which many people do not have or want. For example, my Mother who has been on Facebook for slightly over a year, would never give up her IP supplied email address just so she can start using the social networking site. Ditto my work colleagues. Why would I want to start using a site that no one I care about in real life actually uses? The whole point of social networking is to stay in touch with people from your present and past. It is not just for tech people to circle jerk about how cool they are and how their “finger is on the pulse.” Unless Google+ is adopted by the less computer savvy masses, it is doomed to become a slicker LinkedIn. (Not to mention any site that fickle Flickr-user Thomas Hawk evangelizes I am immediately tempted to avoid. In two years or less he’ll be bitching about how Google is holding him down and pissing him off).
@Jonatha Exactly! There was the sudden rush for an invite, and once people try it out, they are bored to tears.
@Jonatha Exactly! There was the sudden rush for an invite, and once people try it out, they are bored to tears.
@Jonatha Exactly! There was the sudden rush for an invite, and once people try it out, they are bored to tears.