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The tech industry needs global citizens, not nationalism

It’s funny and sad. The tech scene is an industry where people travel the whole world for conferences and meet-ups, so you’d expect most to be global citizens. McLuhan’s global village and all that. Yet right after Europe’s largest web conference, almost everybody who has the guts to speak up is ranting about each other’s countries.

A-listers start a discussion – Michael Arrington criticizes Europe’s work ethic, Loren Feldman “bans” France, Loic Le Meur finds himself defending Europe all the time -, and a large group of followers starts to bash anyone whose not from their country.

worldIn the TechCrunch discussion, it took about twenty comments when Godwin’s law was once again proved. At Loren Feldman’s, some people used vivid and hostile examples to fight prejudice: I’m French and you’re right, I shower only once a week. Right after I bang your wife. Plus, in the heat of the discussion, Loic le Meur and Michael Arrington just broke up.

Screw all that.

I’m lucky to work for this blog. The Next Web team send me all over the world. Everywhere I came, from London, San Francisco, Geneva, Paris, Krakow, Beijing, San Francisco, Shanghai, and even crazy Kathmandu – I found people to level with. Guys and girls who are working to make their dreams come true.

Maybe they’re taking a two hour lunch – but they might as well skip some sleep to work.
Maybe their English is terrible, but they’re helping out millions of people world-wide who speak the same language.

Maybe they don’t have a passport, but thanks to the web they appear more like global citizens to me than most tech people.


  • Hey Ernst-Jan; you are fired.

    Just kidding!

    Wonder how far Arrington and Le Meur are going to take their cat fight. Is Arrington going to sell his shares in Seesmic on Techcrunch? Will they kiss and make up and blog about that on Tuesday?

    Either way, we all have front seats...
  • I'm thinking this is probably something they'll laugh at behind our backs on their board meetings. Better not pay too much attention to it. Even though it was a somewhat interesting discussion at first.
  • But what about the big picture? There's more to it than just two fighting a-listers. See the hundreds of hostile comments scattered all over the blogs..
  • That's what happens when you generalize: you upset a lot of people. Doesn't mean it's any less of a prank.
  • You are right.. but that doens't mean there are a lot of people who feel the urge to defend their own continent/ country and humiliate the other. I didn't feel that urge, did you? That means there are a lot of non-global citizens in this industry, which surprises me - as we're part of the digital revolution/ world-wide connectivity - all that.

    Anyhow, sorry for rambling a bit, I guess I've become a little less naive the last week.
  • Hmm lets think it over at a 2hours lunch at MacDonalds :)
  • Ah well, people tend to get riled up over criticism, whether it's justified or not. And then there's the issue of nationalism. I personally will never understand the idea of national pride. It's not as if anyone born in any country worked really hard to get there. They just happened to be born there.

    Similarly, we could all be real proud of being born human as opposed to, say, born a bug.
  • hear hear :-)
  • Finally, someone with sense comments on the whole bruhaha.

    I'm still not convinced though this isn't just another one of those concocted fights in order to create a bit of a stir around a conference that didn't deliver in the tech department.
  • Yeah, you are fired too!
    And Ernst-Jan and Robert too!
    Wish I could fire more people...
  • What a novel experience, fired as a commenter ;) What used to be my saraly again?
  • Whatever we paid you we want it all back!
  • But... how will I feed my family now? Think of little Timmy.
  • I purposefully restrained myself when I read Arrington's blog. It really is beneath contempt - it's cheap generalisation, with an arrogant, chauvaunistic tone designed specifically to provoke reaction - and I suspect he also believes some of it.

    I have not read the comments - life's too short.

    However, I'm with EJ on this - and this global citizen is no longer reading TechCrunch or following them on Twitter. I thought TechCrunch had jumped the shark with the TechCrunch 50 and their huge conflicts of interest - and this blog just proves it for me.

    If you shit on people, then you can expect to be treated liek shit. If you treat people with trust, fairness and respect, that's a different thing altogether, and gets a quite different response. That's why I write for this blog - I have respect for the people behind it, and I am trusted and treated well by them in return.

    Arrington and Techcrunch just lost any respect they ever had. Arrington has proved to the world he's an arrogant and ungrateful little shit, and I don't think I'll be the only one voting with my mouse in response.
  • You are fired too!
  • Oh man! At Christmas! But how will I feed my family?

    Think about little Angelica - sShe wants a Wii for Christmas, and she still believes in Dyod Moroz / Santa Claus / The Three Kings / Sinterklaas!
  • Angelica & Santa Claus are fired too!!!
  • Angelica
    :-(
  • Okay, Angelica, you can stay!!!
  • This is downright sexist. All a woman has to do is show you her sad face.

    We here in Austria don't take back firings, and that's exactly why we have the most successful economy in all of Europe!

    Austrians rule, Dutch drool!
  • Well, she is 6. I guess that softened me a bit... :-)
  • See, we don't have soft either. I bet you even spend precious business-time with your family instead!
  • Well, yeah. But I let them assemble tennis shoes while we have dinner. Gotta make some money somewhere...
  • Well said Enrst, couldn't do any better.

    You, Boris, and the guys are doing a great work at
    The Next Web covering all startups no matter where they are from. One of my best blogs ever! and good luck
    with your coming Next Web Conference make sure those internet connections work ;)
  • Spread the word!!!
  • Thanks Ashraf!
  • Dave
    After following this "campaign" since it's beginning we just found out that Loic was actually right...

    It's no problem having lunch for two hours (but you should avoid following completely pointless discussions like this one).

    So - we wasted two days of development time reading this catfight gossip, now we'll have two hours lunch and than back to coding.

    When there is techcrunch gossip the next time, we'll just skip it (so no problem with two hour lunches in the future).

    Marc (the meetic) guy is really a clever guy for avoiding media most of the times and concentrating on his company.


    Could we all start coding or lunching now please? :-)

    @TheNextWeb:
    Declare the fight over and reboot with a nice article - maybe about a ... umm.... startup from europe and their cool product? :)

    Thx! Oh - and what about a LeWeb TheNextWeb Cooperation for the next year?
  • Hi Dave, thanks for your comment. I totally agree on your work ethic points.

    But please don't me wrong. I don't want to contribute to the fight, I want to declare it over by asking for some positivism.
  • Dave
    I know, I know.
    While my comment has a true core, it wasn't meant toooo serious.

    We all know that there are cool ppl and companies all over the world. one factor for success is hard work - period.
    There are several ppl right now hyping their own culture/country whatever.. i even read somewhere on techcrunch that europe is full of idiots, because the internet was invented in the states... (haha .. as far as i know mr lee is from the uk and worked in geneva at CERN).

    My whole point was:
    Ignore this catfight - we shouldn't care and move on.
    what about an interview with someone from last.fm? I am really interested about their current layoffs and repositioning. after all last.fm is the flickr for music and runs a freemium model, which is interesting for us (and probably most other startups that want to make money some day) :-)

    also i am very interested in more insights in meetic. marc seems to be a really smart guy - maybe he's availiable for a email interview?

    cover the funding topic - more about business angels please.
    the real issue in europe is, that the guys with the money take less risk (compared to the us). we need to tap the people with the money which are brave enough to take the risk.

    what about an interview with the wakoopa guys?
    they got significant funding... how? why? when? who? how many rejected? key points that helped? key issues they had to fix before funding? and so on.

    :-)
    blog about something that matters! :)
  • Dave
    hahaha:
    http://thenextweb.com/2008/12/14/if-you-had-to-...

    wasn't that one reserved for your "monday post"? ;-)
  • I followed with a post about sex. That is the only thing more interesting than a cat-fight:

    http://thenextweb.com/2008/12/14/if-you-had-to-...
  • Hi Ernst-Jan,

    I hope you read my comments at this cat-fight. I agree with you and it is all one big joke. I do think Loic pushed his luck with the poll though.

    It's true and let's not forget like Robert Gaal mentioned in a post when he was writing for BlueAce. The European community does not have a start-up spirit. Maybe the entrepreneurs do, but the investors, banks, individuals, schools etc don't. Here you learn how to write a job letter in stat of learning to be an entrepreneur.

    So even when Mike is an arrogant 'prick' he is still entitled to say what he wants. Especially when you discuss Global Citizenship, freedom of speech is an important heritage that we have to keep alive. As soon we start banning those people, we are all a disgrace to the human rase.
  • The post on Europeans is the perfect example of successfull linkbait. Catfight or not, both Loic and Mike are winners here. Maybe the absence of heating and wifi was all part of a grand scheme, although I highly doubt it ;D.
  • Wouter
    American pride is a necessary evil. They need it to unite such a large and diverse country. The American 'system' makes Americans nationalists, they're just products of their own society :).

    With the current crisis, they might even be a bit more defensive and emotional in their reactions, resorting to the only thing that unites them, even in difficult times; being proud of their country.

    I think Loic's reaction/poll is a bit over the top too. No matter what people are saying about your conference, your people or whatever, it's often best met with respect. It's a sign of professionalism, and people will recognize that.

    But, don't just ignore what is said because of the way things are said. Beneath all the gutter, you might find some valid points, or some interesting opinions. There's definitly something we Europeans can learn from the US, and vice versa.

    Finally, Loren Feldman is an actor, whatever he says, it's just an act, a very succesfull act, because he's doing very well with his blog/company, but still an act :)
  • Luca F.
    there's a thin red line between being direct and being rude/unpolite. MA certainly crossed that line this time...

    anyway, life's too short, back to my own devices...
  • Dave
    Yea - I know, I said "bury this topic", but as I just found this excellent writeup concerning our A-List US bloggers, I couldn't resist posting this link here:
    http://tumblelog.marco.org/64711784

    It's sooooo true! :-)
  • Bob Boynton
    One of my best experiences of the year was Boris leading the 'fight' to get Obama to continue twittering. TheNextWeb is the center of the world -- as is every other place!

    Better to ignore the out of date. The future is better than that.
  • JPWisler
    Boris should have thrown a shoe at Arrington
  • Nah, I love Arrington. :-)
  • JPWisler
    As an American this is embarrassing. First we had 8 years of Bush and now this. What happened to diplomacy?

    I have worked in technology in Switzerland, France and the Netherlands. The enthusiasm, innovation and productivity of entrepreneurs in those countries is equal to if not better than the US.

    Not to mention in Europe is way ahead of the US in the adoption of mobile tech.

    In my opinion the US has historically been better at PR, have access to a big mono language market to get faster scale and until recently more access to risk capital. Other than the mono market, these things are changing.

    MA must have tech envy.
  • So few people...such an infinitesimal number...have any idea who Michael Arrington or Loren Feldman or Loic LeMeur are that it really doesn't matter what any of them say or do. I know Arrington was chosen as one of Time's most influential people of 2008. Well, Michelle Wie was chosen as one of the Worlds most influential people of 2007. Enough said. No one other than a tiny group of geeks knows the guy. His opinion is largely irrelevant on cultural matters such as which lifestyle is better the American work comes first one or the European Family and human relationships come first. I'm pretty sure even he would admit that, because he's obviously very intelligent. When he talks about tech what he says carries a ton of weight and that's why he's on the Time list. when he talk about european vs us lifestyle choices it's no more weighty than when Ms. Wie, the teen golf phenom talks about the same subject. (I think Michelle is awesome, by the way).

    I'm an American who has traveled around the world and lived in several different countries. I see the appeal of the European lifestyle more family focused less materialist & more frugal... But I always prefered our American way, working really hard and shopping really hard and living an oppulent luxury lifestyle. For the past several months, however I've seen increasing evidence that the American ultra driven consumer lifestyle is in fact not sustainable. And in the end what good it that?
  • Daniel
    just a word about the poor guy at 1938media.com

    his decision to ban a whole country is obviously childish and unprofessional;

    let such the wanabees bark at will, we got better things to do here in France
  • Don't take the bait :-) He's an actor, and most of the times kidding. Hence the quotation marks around ban.
  • @boris I was refering to this post http://bit.ly/11Sg0
  • totally agree with this. but the point is not only the tech industry needs global citizen, but also other fields and sectors, politics, culture, education. we have been talking about globalization and flat world for too long, but seems only trades sector is much more of this. also, how technology should serve itself for better global-citizening, I think this is the real challenge for all those tech innovators. and remember, don't underestimate the power of emerging markets, there are also brilliant ideas...
    like Qifang, such great idea.
    Also, there is Students Space, the new new start up that focus on building a platform for global students for knowledge sharing and collaborative learning.
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