Well, you can hit the last nail into this coffin. After much controversy, there is no flash on the iPad.
During Steve Job’s demonstration of the device, numerous broken flash elements were shown, causing a collective groan across the internet. But, it surfaced after that in some iPad promotional copy live flash content was shown. What to think? Would there be flash on the device?
Well, we all talked about it, wondering just what Apple was up to. Turns out they were just kidding, unsurprisingly. Those advertisements have since been amended, and the flash content has been pulled like a pizza from the brick oven.
Image on the left was the original promotional copy. The image on the right is what Apple is now showing off. Meaning: no flash for you on an Apple mobile device. Hulu is in the hospital being treated for a broken heart, early messages from doctors were negative.
Does this change your level of desire for an iPad?
iPad comparison via PCWorld.
time for hulu to release an iPhone app
Not the main one, but another reason why I will NOT buy the iPad…
It definitely decreases my level of desire for an iPad , i think ill wait for the IPAD 2 , for camera , multitasking as an option , and of course Flash , maybe even a better CPU
I'm not sure there will ever be flash on the iPad or iPhone. Flash makes it easy for developers to offer web based apps so users don't have to go through the App Store. Apple doesn't like that, hence no flash on these devices.
Are you for serious?
Sounds about right.
it's reason 2382 for me.
I'm serious. would be better in an app on the iPhone too … just like the Youtube app. That or like vimeo they need to consider streaming in html5
Hulu works great for 95% in a browser, why make me use two applications when one works? More work on my end to find download figure out use. Browser: already know it.
HTML5 … Flash just tends to eat resources unnecessarily
Hell no as Hulu is blocked in the UK :P. Luckily for us the BBC iPlayer and TVcatchup.com both provide quicktime streams rather than just Flash :)
Hell no as Hulu is blocked in the UK :P. Luckily for us the BBC iPlayer and TVcatchup.com both provide quicktime streams rather than just Flash :)
I do agree that Hulu needs to get on making both iphone and android apps, or release a public api. But if that were to happen it still wouldn't excuse apple excluding flash from the iPad, check out my reasons why on my blog its a good laugh http://schwiz.net/blog/2010/macs-ipad/
At least have a basic version of flash , like the PSP , xD , or only on certian sites
I'll take a punt that the next iOS update will have safari supporting HTML 5 and that will be the end of Adobe.
There's no flash because the flash player leaks memory like a sieve, and Apple have never been happy with any mobile version of the flash player ever produced. If the iPhone (and presumably the iPad) run out of memory (there's no swap file), it just reboots. If that started happening when browsing the web, because the flash player sucks, it would make the iPhone/iPad look really buggy. If they release a good version of the flash player, Apple will undoubtedly include it.
Flash is so much more than a means to play video, though, particularly in RIAs.
Flash is so much more than a means to play video, though, particularly in RIAs.
Flash is so much more than a means to play video, though, particularly in RIAs.
Flash is so much more than a means to play video, though, particularly in RIAs.
Could the reason the iPad show'd what appeared to be flash just a static image? I know from personal experience some advertisers will release a Flash and a Static Image ad because they know alot of people will block flash in their browsers.
Could we all be jumping the gun here and flaming Apple when in fact it could have nothing to do with them?
the problem is that many pages use Flash and then it would have many advantages, although I admit I'd rather have it first in my hands to give a better opinion, and can not take any more time jajaja
the problem is that many pages use Flash and then it would have many advantages, although I admit I'd rather have it first in my hands to give a better opinion, and can not take any more time jajaja
Hulu will never switch to HTML5 video tage, because users can right-click on any HTML5 video element and select “save as…” to save the video source. Hulu is too protective of their content to allow that to happen.
I still want an iPad even without Flash but I'm still probably not going to be buying one anytime soon. I'd rather put that chunk of money towards a 27 inch iMac and keep using my 13 inch MPB for my mobile needs.
Well, my iPhone tends to run out of memory quite often, and I have the 32GB 3G S, with about 20GB of free space. I cannot count how many times the OS locked up to the point that it took 15 minutes to get it to restart so the phone would become usable again. If it at least had a user accessible battery, I could have shortened this time to 2 minutes.
Maybe it's Apple's crappy programming. My WM6 phone had fewer instances locking up, and it displayed flash wonderfully. I never did get the chance to test it with Hulu though, but training videos – both interactive and non – worked wonderfully. So, based upon my previous experience with Flash on a mobile device, I don't understand why something so simple on the web has yet to be available in an Apple mobile device.
And in regards to HTML 5 killing Adobe, don't forget PDF, Photoshop, Illustrator, Premiere, InDesign, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and the rest of the programs in their Creative Suite. And Flash is fantastic for MUCH more than video. I've seen some fantastic websites built almost entirely in Flash. And let's not forget that Flash is an animation studio as well – does anyone else remember the Ninjai series?
Back to the subject at hand, the lack of Flash is just one more reason I will not be buying an iPad.
I've just ordered the 32gb 3gs… hopefully I don't get these issues too! Having 20gb free space won't affect the memory, though. As I said previously, there's no swap file, so once the memory runs out, it runs out, and it won't swap out to the hard drive. Obviously, if your memory's running out, some app you're running is leaking memory.
Completely agree with your comments about flash. Surely they must be working with Adobe on getting this sorted out… but, if they were going to do it, you'd think they'd have done it by now.
That can't be the only “problem” flash solves. There are ways to save
and capture flash files too btw … Easily done with YouTube for
example.
I hear you on the studio challenge though.
Apple would never allow a Hulu app. It would steal to much revenue from them selling movies and tv show in iTunes. I think that fact has a lot to do with them not running flash in Safari for iPhone/iPad as well …
I don't really need an ipad unless it has a webcam and a way to play hulu and boxee. I'll hold off on my purchase.
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Wich means no iporn.
Crappy.
I wonder if youtube is flash.
Great article!
The reason they left out flash is obvious: Safari on iPhone OS has no “private browsing”, aka pr0n button. Apple wants to protect everyone against his/her significant other.
it really not good design of apple to remove flash, although they have included some app to watch video from utube without flash what about other sites that use flash powered video player.
Flash is not fantastic for entire web sites. There are many articles about why that statement is wrong. Here are two:
http://fuzzy76.net/134/why-flash-websites-are-a…
http://fadtastic.net/2006/12/11/the-demise-of-f…
I've never seen this happen, and I work with iPhones on a daily basis. You probably need to restore your phone. Plus, it should NEVER take 15 minutes to do a cold reboot.
And as for Flash, it's going the way of the dinosaurs in favour of the much more stable and lightweight HTML5 industry standard.
apple, you suck!!!
Yes indeed they changed the ads saying that the iPad can support Flash. The most interesting moment when the device was first presented was the NY Times webpage loaded without correctly displaying Flash. So that was a first clue that iPad will not do it. Hulu plans to create an iPad video app to support it's videos but still that needs to be approved by Apple. So not to optimistic that we'll have flash videos. You can read more about this subject here: http://www.thehdstandard.com/general-discussion…
Catalin
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I must be the typical non-tech savvy iTouch user. I have never realized there wasn't flash. The YouTube app works great But other than that, the screen is too small for routine web usage in a browser. Rather I use dedicated apps – NY Times, Wiki, formatted to be useful on the phone. I only reference the web directly when an app calls up the Safari browser. For example, the Yahoo articles embedded within the Stock app. When I am around a Wifi connection – at home, work, coffee shop or airport, I just use apps which get data from the web, but never surf. I tend to read, play games, listen to music and get limited web data like stock quotes, weather updates, emai and check out Facebook.
I am extremely excited about the iad for games and media reading. For games, it would be nice to play monopoly with my sn on a larger screen. I always move to a laptop for the Wall Street Journal or New York Times. An iTouch is too small for exclusive reading use. However, a laptop is too big, has a low battery life and of course takes forever to start. Nevermind, requires many complex programs to do what the simple apps do so well. So that comes back to flash. I cannot imagine the NY TiImes not supporting some video standard for the iPod. So I am set.
I want a device where I may buy whatever from whomever. Screw Apple and Screw iPad!
What about a mobile/iPhone-specific site that isn't reachable from desktops and laptops? The mobile Hulu would serve site content in mp4/HTML5.
Hulu videos can't be downloaded the same way YouTube videos can be downloaded. Youtube uses Flash basically as a video player. The video is stored on a public server, and anyone can view the link to the file in the html and download the video.
Hulu uses Flash almost as a programming language. They've built a system that lets them store the video files on a server hidden away somewhere, then send tiny pieces of the video to viewers. This way only 30 seconds or so of video are stored on the end user's computer at any given time.
The second problem is that Hulu uses Flash to incorporate ads. Again, because they're using Flash as a more of a programming language, Hulu can have its servers log whether users have viewed ads or not. If a user's computer requests a segment of video that follows an ad without first requesting the ad (and waiting a period of time equal to the ad's length), Hulu's server will just refuse to send the video.
Neither of these two problems can be solved by HTML5, because HTML5 is more similar to YouTube. All it does is create an environment for playing back publicly available video files. There aren't any simple ways to protect the videos or require the viewing of ads using HTML5.
That being said, I am all for HTML5. I can't wait until Flash is completely obsolete. Adobe just sits there charing money for an application that eats up all the computer's processing power just to play a simple video. I'm sure that someone clever will eventually figure out a way to use HTML5 to distribute videos while also protecting them. Maybe some fancy javascript that could seamlessly switch between 30 second video clips that are dynamically reorganized based on user session data…