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So many of you read yesterday’s “Why You Shouldn’t Buy a Mac,” and some of you lost your mind. Presenting both sides of the story, here’s why you SHOULD buy a Mac. Click here for full size.
Huh. Well, at least this infographic isn’t factually incorrect like the other one. It’s just misleading on several points. Kind of a shame, since there are some good points here.
I can be said very short:
Mac is like riding a train. It gets you right to the target on time and you don’t have to worry about anything.
A PC is like a Car. You have to make a lot of small decisions and you have the responsibility for your ride. But you also have the freedom to do whatever you like on your way.
So what it comes down to is: are you a Train or a Car person? Next time you are going somewhere, try to switch means of transportation – you might like it…
(Some people even likes to bring their car on the train)
overhyped, overpriced Apple trinkets- no thanks
The first reason for not buying a Mac ? Its horde of zealots fanatics !!
Never surrender !!!
Never ever !
Resistance is futile…
& Boris will be assimilated!
shouldn’t that be “fanatical zealots”? *clutching one-button mouse extremely hard*
You get what you pay for. My time is very valuable, the extra cost of a Mac has saved me countless hours. I don’t worry about defrag, backups, virus scans, keeping virus databases up to date, crashes, and it greatly improves my work flow.
I also don’t need to spend extra time making the applications I work on run in a non-*nix environment work in a *nix environment on production.
The PHP functions I use work the exact same as my production environments. Don’t need to worry about some of the special cases where functions return different results because Windows is not a POSIX compliant OS.
I run OS X on my desktop and Linux on my servers. They are the right tools for the job.
Fine, you want to stay with a Windows box … go for it. I will continue to enjoy that extra few hours per week not maintaining a crap system. Keep trashing Apple, and I will continue to enjoy laughing at all the problems that come along with Windows.
I mean come on, Microsoft is so damn good … they have been providing for many years a file system that has an incredibly low fragmentation level and has built in background tasks that keep that low.
Oh wait, sorry … they don’t. I was thinking of every other operating system on the planet.
I run Window 7 on a decently powerful pc and i also never worry about “defrag, backups, virus scans, keeping virus databases up to date, crashes”
My computer has not crashed in years, Norton runs silently in the background, and if you aren’t worrying about backups you don’t know much about hard drives. I just copy everything over twice to two 1TB external drives. Mac peeps are always going on about how easy it all is but it’s just as easy for me I assure you… and at a significantly lower cost
I don’t worry about backups, defrags, virus scans or crashes either. I haven’t had once since Windows XP. I run Apache on a vista PC :)
It must really suck donkey balls to have to shell out another 700 Simoleans for a Steve Jobs Endorsed Raid card. Especially when most PC mobo’s natively support Raid 0, 1 and 5, even 10. 700 Simoleans will get you a nice Fender AeroDyne P-Bass.
Whats in a mac that makes you not have to worry about backups/crashes?
Harddrives crash naturally no matter what OS you’re using.
Hours to maintain a PC? Wtf? Seriously? I’ve never succumbed to silly viruses on my PC, how did you even manage that? Just don’t open files that are suspicious or are you too stupid to figure it out? Worry about defrags? ROFL, I don’t even do that. Seriously guy, you need to do a little more research…but then again you’re a Macsheeple, so I suppose research isn’t something you people do.
Nice counter point Jeff, thx.
welcome. just presenting other side of argument.
Thanks to this infographic, I now know that Apple products are more compatible with other Apple products than they are with Microsoft’s products. Seriously?
Actually they are not compatible… they are COMPATABLE, if you read the text.
Whoops, typo. Happens. Like viruses on PCs. Just kidding. Thanks for looking at, and dissecting the story.
Yeah, I’ve been always advocating against a Mac. All it is is esthetics, which in a capitalistic society, are well worth the money. But seriously. Why would you want to spend $1500 on macbook when you can find a $500 laptop with the same parts, and be able to upgrade it?
Why would I want to run OS X in the first place? Windows 7 does what I need and how I need it done and more often than not there’s more software available for it in a more timely manner. The only thing I miss about OS X is being able to press one hotkey combination to have a screenshot saved to my pictures folder. That’s it.
I can’t argue that it doesn’t work well with what’s available for it. After the learning curve it’s not too hard to use. It’s pretty too. Win7 is a big step up from Vista and XP though. It’s also visually pleasing. Also, I have had stuff crash on my MBP. It’s not perfect.
Apples are Feature Packed:
Yes, they are. There are also free alternatives that are almost as good or better on Windows. There are also multi-touch trackpads on PCs and most laptops now come with microphones and webcams built in. That’s not anything to brag about. I think I’ve also seen PCs with ambient light sensors.
I doubt we’re going to see any Dell genius bars anytime soon. Apple does have a step up on the competition with customer service, as long as you bought the Apple Care product for an additional 99 dollars. Thing is, most things that go wrong with my PC I can fix for a fraction of the cost of what it would take for the same repairs on my MBP and there are plenty of 3rd party shops that will do it for low prices if I can’t or don’t want to do it myself.
Top Notch Design:
No argument. They’re nice to look at.
Also no argument. My MBP was three years old when the hardware inside started dying, but the battery would still run for 4.5 hours straight with moderate usage.
What does his name have to do with the quality of the hardware? As for the prices, Apple products still cost more than the same hardware in a PC.
Superior compatibility with other Apple Products:
This seems like a no brainer. I bet Windows Phone 7 will work better with a PC running Windows 7 than with Mac OSX. Aside from that though I have an iPhone (at least until the end of the month when I’m getting an EVO 4G) and it syncs just fine on my Windows 7 PC. iTunes is available for Windows 7…
I’m not necessarily completely against Apple products. I loved my MBP, but I just can’t justify the cost compared to what I’m getting in return anymore.
Appreciate your response. That’s the joy of both sides of the debate, a debate that will never end by the way. Well it might, if one of the companies ceases making machines or software for machines. It is enjoyable as long as the discourse remains civil. Thanks for reading and commenting!
I think a large number of Windows computers end up in the wardrobe.
Computer novices buy them. They get a virus. They can’t make the machine work. They end up putting it in the wardrobe where it stays forever.
Thanks, Microsoft, for giving computing a bad reputation.
What a weird non-response…
I like the looks of Apple and the fact that they work very well. I also like the normal PC’s and the fact that I can buy a good one for €500,-.
linus? srsly, another infograph riddled with errors
The reason the computer costs less in this version than the other is that it uses a different bloody processor. Build a system based on the EVGA W555 with two Xeon x5650, then overclock it 15% to reach the specs of the x5750′s. Though the motherboard costs $600, you’ll save $800 on the processors, and could surpass the performance of the Mac Pro.
article is still weak…it boasts features that can obviously be replicated by any PC, may not be preinstalled but definately available in a shareware/open source application…Cost factor is still key same cost I could have a complete state of the art PC and pay someone to install the latest and greatest applications and still be well under the cost of a LOW END Mac.
You disagree but give no counter points. You are in the category of people who do not know how to build a computer and therefore must purchase pre-built computers at places such as Apple, Dell, etc. 2.5k for a low class personal computer from Mac. I have to laugh at that. With 2.5k, I can easily build a top-end PC with all needed accessories and programs. 27 inch monitors from HP are $335 compared to the ridiculous price Apple has their monitors. Hahaha, I noticed you ripped off points off Apple’s website about aluminum and glass. Oh man, you’re classy.
The infographic represents my disagreement. And thank you for your misguided claim that I do not know how to build a computer. Untrue, however, I would venture to say a vast majority, 90+ % could not build their own computer. So congrats to both you and me.
Yes, points taken from Apple, because the “Why you shouldn’t buy a Mac,” infographic was so much more than a screen shot with annotations, in lieu of hand creation. You’re right, that’s way more classy than developing your own.
Your comment about an $800 price drop is inaccurate. The Mac in the ‘don’t buy a mac’ infographic has dual Xeon processors. The one in your screen cap only has a single processor. I just went and looked and the dual processor Mac Pro now starts $200 higher than the original infographic ($3299 -> $3499), although it’s now using 2.4 GHz quad core processors and the hard drive starts at 1TB.
The fact is while Apple smugly charges you 2-3 times what you’d pay newegg for the same part, most other computer manufacturers are selling their computers for less than you’d pay if you bought the same parts yourself and built the machine with no support.
Benchmark speeds are faster for 2.8 over one 2.26 (http://thenextweb.com/apple/files/2010/09/Mac-Comparisons.jpg) , so if you want a pro now, you get something just as fast, granted with only one processor, with increased features. debate rages on. thanks for commenting!
I understand what you’re saying, but your info graphic still implies that the ‘anti-apple’ infographic is $800 over what today’s price is. It’s not. They were quoting an 8-core Mac Pro. You’ve got a screen capture of a 4-core Mac Pro. 8 cores @ 2.26GHz is technically far more powerful than 4 @ 2.8 GHz. Though I understand quite a bit more plays into that equation (the software being used, etc).
… Seriously? You do understand that the Mac in the ‘don’t buy a mac’ infographic has DUAL (as in TWO) Xeon quad-cores. Which means MORE power. your benchmark only accounts for ONE processor. If you know it’s only one processor, why bother posting benchmark speeds on a 2 processor vs 1 processor debate? Rofl……
Grand name, “ROFLROFL.” I do understand, read my response, therein lies the fallacy of your comment.
it’s pretty simple, do you want to kiss a troll or a princess, do you want to use a PC or a MAC? The great thing is, you get to decide and judge.
agreed. playing contrarian is fun, as long as it remains civil…
Why can’t I spell out D*****bag in here. Dbags and Macs are a match made in heaven. and should definatly pointed out asa selling oint and justification for added expense in computer hardware.
Spell check Richard, spell check. Both Mac and PC have spell check. Thanks for reading and commenting!
Useless argument, I have seen this since the DOS and Apple wars in the 80s. Then it was Windows vs. Mac. Then it was Win 95 vs MAC. Then it was XP vs OSX. Its like saying I like Pizza vs I like Tofu, American Cars vs. European vs. Japanese. its a matter of taste. Too many fanatics over hardware and software. Let it be. The rage will go on and on and on. Who cares? As long as it works. Choose one and shut up!
Well stated brotha!
I’ve got PCs and MACs.
I’ve got a Blackberry and a iPhone.
My iMAC died (since they run hot alike a oven) and the Genius bar wanted more than it cost new to fix it. So I took it all apart, then trashed it.
My MacBook Pro is a joy to use. Using it right now.
My W7 high end server is a joy to use, bust still not as polished as the MacBook.
I’m not going foll Mac or full PC.
The only reason people think Windows is a terrible operating system is because 90% of users have Windows… and about 90% of those people do not really know how to use a computer. “What is a browser”… “Go to My Documents; What?!”
To these people, a Mac is a better option. Apple barely gives you any control over the software and bends you over when you need to fix/upgrade something.
But to anybody with an inkling of compuknowledge, Windows is far more powerful. Like the OSX dock? Cool, grab RocketDock or Object dock (and some waffle frys) for free. Need more hard drive space? Less than 100 bucks a TB. 4 screws and two wires, Windows 7 does the rest?
Linux has potential, but it is still too confusing and has a lot of compatibility issues.
So unless you’ve got Benjamins falling out of your pocket, why buy a Mac… look up a basic computer building tutorial and get the parts for over half the cost
So buy a cheaper, still very well built, computer and put ubuntu on it. all the software you’ll ever need is in the software center, no defrag, no antivirus (although I still recommend it just to be extra careful), no problem. You can even customize just about everything about its appearance and function unlike apple which gives you very limited options as to what you can do. Finally, no excessive mark up :D. Enjoy your laughs at the windows people because I laugh the most when laughing at your kind
None of the arguments are convincing enough. C’mon, how does buying a Mac make me more productive? Windows 7 is the quite secure & Mac is known to be the most insecure OS in the recent Secunia report…
Some hardware arguments are good, but not very enticing.
Okay to start with the fact that OSX is not available on other systems, suggests Apple should be reported for anti-competitive behavior! If MS or any other PC manufacturer tried this there would be hell to pay.
The fact that Windows or any Linux can be installed shows that this is just a PC and not some mystical creation!
Macs do get viruses (Ibotnet ring any bells) but if you want a bigger payback you go for the bigger target. Therefore Criminals go for the Windows user.
Seriously what is beautiful about aluminium or glass? Shiny but not beautiful. And in respect of that where do you look when you do anything? Your keyboard and your monitor. My tower is to the side of my desk and if I’m spending all my time admiring it’s “beauty”, then I’ve defeated the point of getting one! (ps last time I looked glass was fragile not strong, and as for aluminium cans…)
Can’t comment on battery life as this discussion was based, originally on a MacPro, not a laptop. Added to which how many people actually spend any length of time with their laptop unplugged?
Superior compatibility…surely this is down to Apple? They are the ones trying to force you to use proprietary software when you buy the equipment, and as such any issues are down to them. MS do not do Quicktime, iTunes, etc, so they cannot be blamed when it doesn’t work (oh and for the record Sharepod is so much more user friendly for an iPod than any Apple software. And its free!)
And why is Steve Jobs included? Is this because the Messianic tendencies Apple users give him, to the point that any report of illness, wipes billions off the value of Apple shares? Is it because like any religious sect Apple users need to feel they are worshiping someone tangible?
And ultimately how can you justify the mark ups made on generic parts? Not even other suppliers would have the gall to try the sort of price marks Apple does, but all you Apple fans just seem to rush out and buy it regardless. Would it be easier to just tithe 10% of your gross salary, like the Mormons, Scientologists, etc
Good point “Scooter.” Anti-competitive behavior? If they create it the OS, they have the right to control it. You know very little about the law.
Your second point makes no sense outside of the fact that it shows Apple computers offer flexibility, not that others do not.
Bigger payback? If that were true, wouldn’t “criminals” attack Mac users who are viewed as having more money and therefore, more to take?
Yes, who wants a nice looking machine? Just shove some garbage in a milk crate and do your work. That’s a slick look. The fact that you believe the aluminum and glass used is akin to soda cans and drinking glasses, respectively, shows you know very little about the type of materials used to construct a Mac.
Many people spend time with their laptop unplugged. When traveling, on a plane, practically anywhere, one doesn’t whip out the plug and always keep their machine plugged in.
Apple doesn’t force you to use iTunes, but if you prefer an iPod, iPad or iPhone, over a Zune, [insert non-existent iPad competitor here], or other smartphone, the onus is on the PC OS to ensure that iTunes works on the machine, not Apple.
Steve Jobs is included because he is the driving force behind Apple’s resurgence. No PC infographic includes how great Steve Ballmer is, or champions the genius of Michael Dell. As for your comparison to a Messiah, that’s all you. Nothing above implies he is a religious figure.
The price reflects the totality of what one receives when purchasing an Apple product. Great product support and the other features above.
That said, appreciate your comment and dissection of the infographic!
Yes I still feel that it is anti competitive behavior. When MS (or for that matter any other software writer) try anything that ties you to a machine then all the antitrust rubbish starts
The second point is that the Mac is not some mystical creation, it’s a PC! Hence it can run any IBM PC software on it. The fact that you would even want to use anything other than your “incredible” OSX, suggests that either OSX isn’t as good as you feel or that Windows & Linux offer more stuff, eg less restrictions.
No the reason they get a bigger payback off PC users is that PC users’ monies are in their own bank account, not Apples. Although I note here that you don’t actually try to argue about Apple’s not getting Viruses!
I still stand by my wondering about your definition of beauty. And I still wonder if you spend all your time staring at your tower (remember the original pic was based purely on Mac Pro) as I spend all my time looking at either my screen or my keyboard (I’m not a professional typist and occasionally have to check where I’m typing, and if you did use the MacBook, etc, even then you would still be looking at either the screen or the keyboard). Without looking at it I couldn’t tell you what colour my tower is because I don’t care as long as the stuff inside it does everything I want it to. Glass and Aluminium are functional, not beautiful. If you felt like trying to say the case was stronger than an equivalent weight of Steel, I would’ve had difficulty arguing, but saying one type of metal is more beautiful than another…
Again with the battery life, the majority of people I know, and I would argue that in view of updated CPU’s, HDD’s RAM, the majority of Laptop users have them as replacement Desktops and as such only use them at home, plugged in. Granted Business users are a different case, but even then the smart ones would carry a spare fully charged battery, at still cheaper costs than Apple.
Apple so force you to use iTunes. If you buy an iPhone you have to download iTunes, to register the phone, and all your bank details, before you can even get it to work (my wife’s friend has just bought one!). The iPods are designed to work with iTunes and Apple will not release the codes to allow other developers full access. Something the likes of MS have been forced to.
And in this case the onus is on Apple to ensure that their forced software works on all systems, flawlessly, not just Apple’s. Just as it’s up to Canon to ensure my printer will work on whatever PC it’s hooked up to. Why would it be up to MS to ensure it runs smoothly. They provide the relevant Kernels so that Canon can do their job.
No, Steve Jobs is a figurehead and you do great dis-service to all the people who actually work at Apple by just saying he is Apple, hence the Messianic compare. No PC infograph cares about Steve Ballmer or Michael Dell, just coz they are at the top, doesn’t mean the great ideas come from them. PC users only care about the core components.
And as for the great product support, etc (Genius Bar, etc) if the Apple is such a great product “Out Of The Box” then why would you need the rest of the stuff. Surely if it runs flawlessly for years at a time you’ve just wasted thousands on Tech Support you didn’t need. You do realise if you’d bought a PC you could’ve got tech support a lot easier and a lot cheaper. Hell you could probably have google searched an answer and saved yourself loads!
Okay. Let’s demolish this point by point…
A) OS Flex: You can install Windows or Linux on any machine just as easily as any other – the install process is the same (partitioning set-up is not made any easier and there are plenty of very quick guides that show you how to partition) – so big whoop.
Installing OSX on a non-Mac legally? Fair enough – but all that is doing is restricting Mac users to the hardware choices that Apple want to provide, rather than what they would rather have in their system.
There are plenty of alternative (free!) partitioners available. Bootcamp is by no means special – and there is also free virtualization software available for PCs and *nix, so I’m not sure how this is a Mac feature that warrants a purchase by any stretch of the imagination.
B) The OS: Simply and Intuitive are purely subjective assessments, and many people would say the same about *nix or Windows.
It is only seamless because Apply force their hardware configurations on you, and because you already made this point in OS Flex (OSX install on Mac only), using it again is just redundant! Windows and Nix can claim to be supported on almost *ANY* hardware configuration.
Secure? Hah! Sure, Macs don’t get PC viruses, they do get Mac viruses though, which DO exist (as pointed out by a previous comment).
There are plenty of accessibility options available for non Macs for those with impairments. MS has has text-to-speech for years now. I fail to see how this is a Mac feature.
C) Top notch design: I’m sorry, but I can build my own system with parts just as sturdy as any Mac part. “Beautiful” is also subjective, I personally, do not find Macs beautiful. Try and be objective…
D) Battery Life: I’ll agree that they last longer in terms of lifespan, but single charge discharge times are comparable to any other mobile device on the market in the period during which the machine is considered “current”. Who cares if my battery lasts 6 years when the computer needs to be replaced in 3 anyway!
E) Feature Packed: Default software? Okay, sure, the default software is better – there are plenty of free software packages that provide all the same functionality (to at least the same standard) for both Windows and *nix which can be installed almost immediately after OS installation. Trackpads are available on almost every laptop/netbook! They may not be “apple patented multitouch” but they respond just as well if not better (I’ve used many a non-responsive mac…).
Majority of laptops/netbooks come with camera+microphone, and you can buy Desktop camera/microphone combos quite cheaply which are of equal quality and still keep the Desktop price below that of the Mac.
As mentioned, many other vendors have ambient light sensors, and there is free software that provides the same functionality (re: “F.lux” – Google it).
I can’t speak to the Genius bar, but I can’t imagine it being much different to the inbuilt Windows help (watch as this is the only point that is argued back against).
Friendly hands on tech support? At what cost? Additionally, I’ve met downright rude Mac employees and positively friendly Dell employees – subjective point /again/. I’ll give you in-person service, which gives you ONE point so far.
F) Steve Jobs? No one cares. This is not a reason to /buy/ a Mac, even if he is the driving force.
Good try with the price screenshot, but next time PICK THE SAME BUILD (http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro You selected the Quad Core, previous graphic used the 8 core – WHICH IS THE SAME PRICE THAT WAS ON THE OLDER GRAPHIC). We’re talking single CPU (vs 2), 3GB RAM (vs 6GB) and who knows what other downgraded baseline specs that aren’t shown (I’m looking at both right now! Talk about a bad argument).
I don’t care that the single CPU may outperform the dual configuration in previous infograpic, a dual CPU configuration requires very different (more expensive!) hardware. Also, the difference between a 2.8 Ghz and 3.2Ghz is not $400 – get real.
G) Superior compatibility: As stated already, Windows is obviously more compatible with Windows devices, this is hardly a selling point. Also, there is plenty of third party iTunes equivalents that provide sync abilities to these devices (e.g. Songbird). Also, thanks to Apple for maintaining my Windows version of iTunes with perfect compatibility with my iPod…
Now for a couple of extra points:
1. You have to rebuy OSX every time a new version is released – most of the time the differences are akin to what is provided in Windows service packs (which are free!), and *nix has constant rolling updates so you /always/ have the latest features. Meaning you spend something like an extra $800 over the lifespan of the Mac… just for patches!
2. Mac does not have a file system advantage – If anything *nix filesystems (ext4, reiser, etc…) perform better, and the latest version of Windows’ NTFS is arguably just as good.
3. Yes, Windows and *nix require extra software installation to provide the same out of box features that the Macs have – these are in no way more inconveniencing than the Mac versions and do not slow the OS down at all.
4. Macs crash – don’t deny it. Windows doesn’t crash nearly as often as it used to (I’m going on a couple of years without a single OS crash that wasn’t due to my own obvious programming mistake)
Also – none of your arguments rebuke the massive price hike outlined in the last infographic! All the prices on the Mac site as of this moment (23 Sept 2010) are still grossly over the actual retail for these parts, and you cannot justifiably state that the difference is in the build cost of the Mac…
Keep in mind I’m also not a Windows advocate, it has its own problems. I am, on the other hand a PC (this by no means implies Windows!) advocate – I honestly think the Linux blows both OS’s out of the water.
Rubbish in a milk carton? Personal preference – I reckon my personally built custom PC looks better than any Mac I’ve ever seen. The only additional “flexibility” macs offer is the ability to install OSX… wow, this impresses me so much…seriously… (sarcasm, if any mac sheeples didn’t pick it up).
Next time, use actual MAC SPECIFIC arguing points – you had one, ONE, thing that was even remotely mac specific (I’m sure other vendors have kiosks somewhere with staff just as willing to provide assistance).
Thank you, and good day.
Lots of half truths here. Yes a mac doesn’t get PC viruses – it gets the new mac viruses that many mac aren’t protected against because ‘macs don’t get viruses’.
They may look better but at 3 times the price?
And I frankly don’t care which billionaire heads up the company.
As far as more features/lower cost? My 386sx with 8 Mb RAM, 105 MB HDD, a lantastic card, large 14″ monitor and a CD Reader was a touch over $5200 20 years ago. My notebook this year has a 500 GB HDD, i7 CPU, BlueRay R/W DVD, Wireless, USB2, HDMI and Firewire and a 17″ screen came to just over $1000 with the BestBuy extended warranty. Bit of a drop there too.
I like Mac but need a PC more than a good looking box that doesn’t do everything I need. The PC may not do things quite as slick as Mac but the tools and games are there and if I want Mac – I just run it under VMWare or Virtual box – it was a $30 vs $3000 question.
you gotta remember a windows goes boom in 2 years, macs hmmm well my family has a had a mac for over 15 years and its still going strong:)
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