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	<title>Comments on: Twitter&#8217;s One Million Dollar Stylesheet</title>
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		<title>By: John Morris</title>
		<link>http://thenextweb.com/2009/11/16/1m-stylesheet/#comment-451020</link>
		<dc:creator>John Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;ll see a Twitter app released soon which will hopefully gives us a powerful new tool.</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Moore</title>
		<link>http://thenextweb.com/2009/11/16/1m-stylesheet/#comment-451003</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no expert twitter watcher, but it seems to me that there are two entwined issues.

1. Having a bad mobile experience for iphone users has fostered an application ecosystem around twitter--important for any platform.  This ecosystem then carries water for twitter, and does a far better job of innovating the UI than twitter could.

2. Twitter isn&#039;t focused (at this time) on the end user experience--they are focused on the underlying platform.  They prefer to let other companies innovate around UX while they deal with traffic and innovate around their core platform.

As you say, Andrew, doing a nice device specific stylesheet seems like it would be easy, but it would also ruin (or have a drastic effect on) all the software vendors who are investing in twitter apps (and cementing twitter&#039;s status as the real time status platform).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no expert twitter watcher, but it seems to me that there are two entwined issues.</p>
<p>1. Having a bad mobile experience for iphone users has fostered an application ecosystem around twitter&#8211;important for any platform.  This ecosystem then carries water for twitter, and does a far better job of innovating the UI than twitter could.</p>
<p>2. Twitter isn&#8217;t focused (at this time) on the end user experience&#8211;they are focused on the underlying platform.  They prefer to let other companies innovate around UX while they deal with traffic and innovate around their core platform.</p>
<p>As you say, Andrew, doing a nice device specific stylesheet seems like it would be easy, but it would also ruin (or have a drastic effect on) all the software vendors who are investing in twitter apps (and cementing twitter&#8217;s status as the real time status platform).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Hyde</title>
		<link>http://thenextweb.com/2009/11/16/1m-stylesheet/#comment-451001</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with you on international use.  If done well I would think the stylesheet option would be just as small and allow you to do basic tasks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you on international use.  If done well I would think the stylesheet option would be just as small and allow you to do basic tasks.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Hyde</title>
		<link>http://thenextweb.com/2009/11/16/1m-stylesheet/#comment-451000</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree that they don&#039;t compare but the mobile is so bad that an app is needed even for non power users that really get things out of Tweetie.  

I&#039;m really glad I&#039;ve sent atebits my cash too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that they don&#8217;t compare but the mobile is so bad that an app is needed even for non power users that really get things out of Tweetie.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really glad I&#8217;ve sent atebits my cash too.</p>
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		<title>By: Bastien</title>
		<link>http://thenextweb.com/2009/11/16/1m-stylesheet/#comment-450992</link>
		<dc:creator>Bastien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mean &quot;bad implementation&quot;, I was referencing about the bad UX provided by m.twitter.com (ie last paragraph)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean &#8220;bad implementation&#8221;, I was referencing about the bad UX provided by m.twitter.com (ie last paragraph)</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf</title>
		<link>http://thenextweb.com/2009/11/16/1m-stylesheet/#comment-450991</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... bad implementation? That&#039;s the way the twitter folks designed their API, or? And Tweetie actually caches avatars.

This would, however, qualify for an additional mode. File an enhancement request with atebits!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; bad implementation? That&#8217;s the way the twitter folks designed their API, or? And Tweetie actually caches avatars.</p>
<p>This would, however, qualify for an additional mode. File an enhancement request with atebits!</p>
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		<title>By: Bastien</title>
		<link>http://thenextweb.com/2009/11/16/1m-stylesheet/#comment-450989</link>
		<dc:creator>Bastien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, this very bad implementation makes a lot of sense to me.

As you mentionned, the bandwith used with m.twitter.com is really light. When you download a client, the bandwith usage with this client is huge.

You said 9Ko for m.twitter.com? See what&#039;s going on with tweetie: 25 Ko w/ XML, and let&#039;s admit about 15 Ko with JSON. Also, you have to add the download of avatars: 4Ko (a timeline is made of 100 statuses, so you have to x100 in the worst case).

If you go to another country, your bill is going to explode with Tweetie, just because it&#039;s full featured. If you are French like me, downloading a single Mo of data costs the end-user about €13.30 (it&#039;s a shame btw), so by checking your timeline on tweetie, you already spend in the worst case €4 for a single connection.

This is why the mobile version of Twitter is the ONLY good alternative when you&#039;re abroad and you want to keep up w/ your friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, this very bad implementation makes a lot of sense to me.</p>
<p>As you mentionned, the bandwith used with m.twitter.com is really light. When you download a client, the bandwith usage with this client is huge.</p>
<p>You said 9Ko for m.twitter.com? See what&#8217;s going on with tweetie: 25 Ko w/ XML, and let&#8217;s admit about 15 Ko with JSON. Also, you have to add the download of avatars: 4Ko (a timeline is made of 100 statuses, so you have to x100 in the worst case).</p>
<p>If you go to another country, your bill is going to explode with Tweetie, just because it&#8217;s full featured. If you are French like me, downloading a single Mo of data costs the end-user about €13.30 (it&#8217;s a shame btw), so by checking your timeline on tweetie, you already spend in the worst case €4 for a single connection.</p>
<p>This is why the mobile version of Twitter is the ONLY good alternative when you&#8217;re abroad and you want to keep up w/ your friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf</title>
		<link>http://thenextweb.com/2009/11/16/1m-stylesheet/#comment-450986</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

I only agree partially. There&#039;s an ongoing app vs web battle and ultimately we will likely see the web win again, but comparing e.g. Tweetie with a pimped, ajax-ified twitter.com web site is just not right.

There are lots of features, that make a real difference. Multi-account handling, drafts, caching, etc. to name only a few. And Tweetie is ultimately faster than using a Mobile Safari based front end, even if Twitter would try to optimize the page for mobile downloading.

The Twitter folks never really cared about the client part anyway. They&#039;ve created a messaging infrastructure, added a lightweight API to it to transform it into a platform. In fact the Twitter.com website only recently got really usable. It&#039;s been a mess in terms of usability for too long.

So Twitter simply doesn&#039;t want to do clients, whether it&#039;s native apps or optimized mobile web clients. They always kept constraining themselves to the basics and left the client-side innovation to third parties.

I think it&#039;s a fantastic separation of concern.

Finally, I&#039;m really happy to get atebits and other awesome iPhone developers my 3 US$. Tweetie is well worth two cups of coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>I only agree partially. There&#8217;s an ongoing app vs web battle and ultimately we will likely see the web win again, but comparing e.g. Tweetie with a pimped, ajax-ified twitter.com web site is just not right.</p>
<p>There are lots of features, that make a real difference. Multi-account handling, drafts, caching, etc. to name only a few. And Tweetie is ultimately faster than using a Mobile Safari based front end, even if Twitter would try to optimize the page for mobile downloading.</p>
<p>The Twitter folks never really cared about the client part anyway. They&#8217;ve created a messaging infrastructure, added a lightweight API to it to transform it into a platform. In fact the Twitter.com website only recently got really usable. It&#8217;s been a mess in terms of usability for too long.</p>
<p>So Twitter simply doesn&#8217;t want to do clients, whether it&#8217;s native apps or optimized mobile web clients. They always kept constraining themselves to the basics and left the client-side innovation to third parties.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a fantastic separation of concern.</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;m really happy to get atebits and other awesome iPhone developers my 3 US$. Tweetie is well worth two cups of coffee.</p>
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