Dependent Records: The Story Behind the Hoax
Written on 16th February 2008
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Boris Veldhuijzen van Zanten, Serial Internet Entrepreneur

Last week I posted a story here titled “Record Label quits, uploads music to The Pirate Bay“. I had received a tip that Dependent Records had decided to quit their business and uploaded all their music to The Pirate Bay. The whole story turned out to be a hoax. Something I could have found out myself if I had taken the time to contact Dependent Records to ask for confirmation. But I didn’t. Instead I checked if the music was actually there, read a few comments and figured the story was good enough to run. The next day Dependent Records came out with an official statement that the whole thing was a hoax. By then the story was posted to many popular blogs and we all had to retract, edit and/or amend our stories and apologize to Dependent Records and our readers.
Since the news broke that this was a hoax and not a true story I have been having a heated debate with Stefan Herwig, the victim of this hoax, about the ethics of bloggers and their attitude in this whole situation both here in the comments and at the Dependent Records Forum. Stefan Herwig obviously is not very happy with all these blogs writing stuff about him that isn’t true. I understand that but also think that it will be hard to avoid and blame the person who started this hoax more than the bloggers who fell for it. Not a subject we will reach an agreement on soon.
Enough reason to give Stefan Herwig the chance to tell us what actually happened and who is to blame. The following is the result of an email interview between The Next Web Blog and Stefan Herwig from Dependent Records.

Stefan Herwig
We heard a lot of different stories of what happened. Can you give us YOUR side of the story?
“Well, someone over the weekend took the “liberty” to take parts of our record catalogue and put it online as torrent files through The Pirate Bay. This person added a little text in German and english, but it was only a few lines. Somebody at Torrentfreak stumbled over it, thought that it was true, and brought it as a story, without checking back with us. From there other magazines including yours linked the story or brought it themselves with minor modifications.”
How did you find out and when was this?
“I actually did find out this Monday morning (Feb 11th, 2008). There were a couple of requests whether this was true or a hoax.”
Why did it take you so long to post a formal reply on your official website?
“I am not sure if we took so long. We found out Monday morning, and the news was online Monday night. We run the website in two languages and it took some time to get it translated properly. Also I got a new laptop that day, and it had to be set up properly. That took a few hours.”
What are you doing to fight back?
“Depends on what you mean in terms of WHO to fight back. Believe it or not, I am not that shocked about the catalog being online, because all those files were online before. And it is also not the entire catalogue anyway, it is about 65% of approximately 110 releases. But all those files were available illegally before, and everybody that wanted it that way could probably get it anyway before.
I was disappointed with the poor news research of Torrentfreak and all other magazines that simple “took the story for granted” (including yours). Even when we sent that disclaimer, some of those magazines only wrote a few lines at the end of the story, or did not change it at all. I am actually really shocked about the poor research of those online magazines, because they don’t realize that they also have a cultural function in forming minds and opinions of people. If they refuse to research their info properly in the first place, or even refuse to correct their stories properly, the hoax will survive and the truth will vanish.”
Who do you think is behind this?
“We actually had a lawsuit a few weeks ago against somebody who slandered me online. He said I closed the label because I was doing cocaine and had “sex with minors” during concerts. I sent him a cease and desist order which was approved by the court. I guess this bloke refused to accept the consequences. But this is speculation.”
How many websites reported about the hoax and thought is was real?
“About 15. Only one site reconfirmed the story with us before they brought it (Wich is – in my opinion the proper thing to do).”
How do you feel about that?
“Like I said above, it raises some important questions about information flow online. And the more this becomes public, the more people can exploit it. Let’s just assume that a day before the forthcoming US presidential election, some news would spread by a source that Barrack Obama had actually raped a white women, and magazines would publish it, then you could maybe turn around the election. This is obviously an extreme example, but any sort of propaganda can be enacted if media don’t do their homework. I personally already see that only those news travel fast on the internet that are supported by a lot of people, or support their beliefs. So people are creating their own Propaganda, and that actually scares me a lot, if you think about the implications.”
What is happening next?
“The day the files went online, we had a specialist check the Seeders IP address, and depending on the results, we might do a lawsuit. But if the seeder is not from germany, then we, as an independent record label, cannot afford to go after this person.”
Anything else you want to say to our readers?
“Actually, this whole incident reconfirms the reason why I closed my label in the first place, because I do see that small independents like us are not being able to fight internet piracy. So people respond: “So what? I can get my music without a label!” In the short term, they might be right. But as a result of that, those music groups they rip and don’t buy will never get a chance to do concert tours, decent recordings, etc. They will never break to a decent audience.
People fail to see that music labels are like amplifiers in a stereo system. Without them you can not hear the music of the bands you would like to hear, because nobody else puts them on a map in the first place.
You might be able to steal/fileshare it, but only as long as those labels produce music. Where do you get your music, when those labels are going down the drain? Myspace? 1.400.000 mediocre Demo bands? I don’t think so!”




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By gweeter on Feb 16, 2008
viral marketing by a relatively unknown record label.
nobody else will understand how the free press can be manipulated. who had heard of dependent records before last week?
crock of bullshit. entire catalog downloaded per record label’s request.
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By Boris Veldhuijzen van Zanten on Feb 16, 2008
@gweeter dependent IS going out of business as you can read on their website. I don’t see any benefit in getting PR for them. Unless they decide NOT to close down. Either way, it IS an interesting story.
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By Anonymous on Feb 16, 2008
65 % of his catalouge? I checked this back and it seems to be more. 80 % at least and the missing albums are mostly samplers, wich tracks are contained in the regular albums, too.
And why does Stefan Herwig not mention that he is suing filesharers since months?
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By bleu on Feb 17, 2008
All still smells of propaganda. He (Stefan Herwig) has been courting attention and there is more to this story than he is saying. These are the questions I would have asked:
Tell me about Dependant, how many staff did you employ, what was your yearly turnover, what was your advertising budget, how long had you been in business, how many artists had signed to your label, how many had you made famous, do you have any disclosures you would like to make at this point in time, please provide the rough details of all the court cases you have been involved with in the last 12 months, what is you next venture.
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By Stefan Herwig on Feb 17, 2008
I just read the story.
Thanks for the coverage, and I think you did a good job with trying to picture the situation as neutral as possible.
Just out of curiosity: Has this whole incident changed your m.o. in regards to just “taking over” news from other websites and blogs?
Stefan Herwig
(evil yet unsuccessful record company owner)
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By Boris Veldhuijzen van Zanten on Feb 17, 2008
@Stefan: good question! To tell you the truth I do think events like this make you more cautious. I made my point before that we do check our stories but obviously not as strict as newspapers do or we could have in this case.
Next time I will be more careful and if there is doubt or I can’t verify it myself (or don’t have the time) I will use a different story line or at least make it clear that the story might be false and is unverified.
Most bloggers (us included) have a “It is better to seek forgiveness than permission” attitude towards blogging. This makes the medium exciting but also dangerous. We will have to find a modus where we can keep the excitement but do it in a less dangerous way.
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By Stefan Herwig on Feb 18, 2008
“Most bloggers (us included) have a “It is better to seek forgiveness than permission” attitude towards blogging. This makes the medium exciting but also dangerous. We will have to find a modus where we can keep the excitement but do it in a less dangerous way.”
Seriously. I think that a minimum amount of research should be enacted for bloggers as well. Doublecheck stories on each website (5 mins work), or try to reconfirm the truthfulness of a doubtful story with the person/company/website you got it from (10 mins. work).
If that is too much work for you, you should probably reconsider your “hobby”. Just my humble opinion.
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By Boris Veldhuijzen van Zanten on Feb 18, 2008
Hi Stefan, I would love to only blog about confirmed stuff. But even companies that are very responsive often take 12 hours, at least, to answer. We email several companies a day asking for comments on articles or confirmation of rumors and news. Most companies simply ignore questions, or deny everything or answer with a standard press release.
With this article I did spent some time checking if it could be true. I checked if the music was there, if the account existed and the name matched, if other blogs had written about it, if there was an official comment from you somewhere and if there were signs in the comments that this might be false. based on that research (about 15 minutes) I decided to publish.
I think bloggin ONLY confirmed stories is impossible in reality. What we CAN do is make it more clear to readers that stories ARE or ARE NOT confirmed. That would be a practical solution that everybody can work with right away.
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By Stefan Herwig on Feb 18, 2008
Hi Boris,
thanks for the explanation. I understand that you alawysw try to have the coverage of your content to be released as quick as possible.
But for instance you ciould have written (in our case as example), that the official website of the label did awkwardly not mention anything about this amazing download option, and that noone at the label was available to confirm that the TPB offer was legit.
I think one should allow a business day for reaction time by e-mail. And should you need a really urgent feedback about a specific info, there is this forgotten medium called “telephone” that you can use that enables people to exchange verbal information in real time speed. Quite an amazing yet apparently forgotten invention. ;-)
Stefan
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By Boris Veldhuijzen van Zanten on Feb 18, 2008
Telephone? You must be kidding! I remember we had one of those when I was a kid. Do they still sell those? ;-)
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